Orville's humor is rather hit and miss, yet the characters are likeable and they stop to reason things through which is sorely missing from STD. STD is not trek, it's anything goes, terrorist attacks, enslavement, simple annihilation. It's just a ship filled with scum and a clueless cadet as some sort of badly written counterpoint.  First contact with a new species, and the first action is to weaponize it, then enslave it to operate their rushed blink drive.

Episode 6 of the Orville shows the moral dilemma and potential consequences. STD would have simply blown the whole ship out of the sky with a bunch of fireworks, then cheered about it. Yet perhaps a new generation wants to see Star Trek drop the atomic bomb to end the war instead of finding a better solution. STD is simple, humans good, klingons bad. And ofcourse the klingons are written the same. The Orville's approach is to try to understand the Krill to find a way to make peace. The word peace hasn't even been mentioned yet on STD afaik.

The more I watch The Orville, the more it seems to get Trek more than modern Trek does. Sure all the 20th/21st century based jokes take you out of it, but the allegories have been well done and it does okay with character-based arcs.

As Trek goes further away from what it once was, Seth wants a show that's more traditional with his spin on it. No one would ever take him seriously in a Captain's chair on a Canon Trek project, so he's built something like it around himself, and it kinda works.

Well I don't have cable or amazon prime so I can't watch The Tick or The Shannarra Chonicles.  The Good Place isn't that new since its already in its second season but I rather watch Thursday Night Football instead.  Of the regular network shows that are actually new this season I like Me, Myself and I and Young Sheldon. 

I guess that's a new first for Star Trek, using the F word in casual conversation. In the latest episode The Klingons have become weaker again, honor doesn't seem to be part of Klingons at all anymore, the humans are more brutal again, the plot makes less sense again, more fighting amongst eachother again. So for consistency, 9/10.

Only thing that STD has over Orville is production value, but given that everything else is pretty much garbage (that shroom blink drive just cracks me up everytime), it's just wasted money. Orville is getting to be more and more like TNG (I even get accustomed somewhat to bad cast), while STD is getting as far away from proper Trek as I initially thought it would - if I'm being honest, it's even worse that I thought it would be, STD doesn't have anything resembling Gene's Trek.

Didnt think this would happend... watched the show and it did, I really dislike that character too.

Writers messed up imo.

Klingons meh...  same old ST as far as Im concerned.

Overall still a decent episode.

What same old Star Trek? The Klingons would never use weapons set to vaporize with prisoners, at most pain sticks. They would transport the captain straight to Kronos to stand before the high council, not put him on some light security prison barge. Klingons don't torture for information. Klingon women don't simply get beat down by a human. The whole kindnap thing isn't particalarly a Klingon thing to do. There's no honor in it.

I think the writers have the species mixed up. They should have simply created a new species instead of rewriting an already well fleshed out culture.

Can you imagine Worf coming from such a species and serving in the federation?

I thought this topic was going to be about popcorn.

Oville is pretty decent imo.

Plenty of their jokes fall through or feel forced, but otherwise a likable cast and just feels like a fan made star trek.

I really hope they don't continue to do the whole "lets tackle this social issue this week" though. That is starting to annoy me a bit.