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Gourmet said:

What is this even.. How can you be this stupid? None of these pictures have a FLAG in it. US flag colors =/= US flag.

I do agree the picture of 10.176l shows a violation. But you are fucking beyond dumb, you are the reason fake news exists, believing STUPID allegations without taking a second to LOOK into it.

Edit: I forgot to mention 10.176c. That would not really work for a flag this size, but I would need to see how it was actually moved and also need a more in depth interpretation of the wording. It's hard to conceive how making a big ass flag could be disrespectful, as it is hard to move it in other way. That is a very specific case.

I think a code of conduct regarding a flag is silly but you seriously don't see a flag in every single one of those images? Seriously? 🙂



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monocle_layton said:
Peh said:

Patriotic, nationalistic, us citizens?

Real us citizens don't call other americans sons of bitches

I don't even count those people as human beings. They are just turds mimicking human language and some feelings like anger and hatred. They are also a combination of parrots and lemmings.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Harkins1721 said:

How are you this single minded? Colin Kaepernick did it to call attention to "police violence". Sure theres racism in every state. People are just asses. Theres no need for it. Just like every race has a few dirt bags so doesnt every police station. But if you actually did some research the stats show black on white crime or black on black crime soars past white on black crime. And same thing with police shootings. Police officers shoot and kill more white people than black people. 

 

You arent standing up to racism. All your doing is pissing fans off. 

I'm not American (obviously) but I am a sports fan. And as a sports fan I can safely say that what would piss me off is wasting time before every game with a national anthem, just get on with the thing I'm paying to see already!

To each their own. You were brought up differently from others. As was I. However im not the professional sports player making millions every year and doing nothing but kneeling.

"A sup par/mediocre quarterback started a trend of kneeling during an anthem. This led to other millionaire players doing the same thing, which in turn got everybody and their momma talking about it.
So ratings decline because an ineffective form of protest by millionaires makes the people that line their pockets, not want to watch the sport.
Meanwhile, the actual thing they're protesting remains unchanged because kneeling does absolutely nothing towards working towards fixing the issue... it just gets everybody bickering at each other; notice, most people aren't event talking about what they're supposedly protesting. Likely when election time comes around, the millionaire kneelers will buck dance for some politician who will pay lip service to the "reform."

Because passing new laws and using the word "accountability" a thousand times will somehow make government agents follow rules, even though they don't follow the ones that exist now."

 

monocle_layton said:
Peh said:

Patriotic, nationalistic, us citizens?

Real us citizens don't call other americans sons of bitches

Sure they do. People are jerks all the time.


Flilix said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Who gives a shit about a fucking flag?

Way too many people do.

People support certain values, not because they're rationally good, but because they've been taught that these values are good. This also includes the love for your country, religion, favorite console... Sometimes this irrational love goes so far that people go half crazy when it gets criticized. Disrepecting a flag equals disrespecting a country, and some people simply can't handle that.

Here's the thing. I'm not stupid, or at least I'd like to think I'm not. I'm also not an asshole.

I'm very interested in symbols and what the symbolism means in a given context, especially in media or literature. I can understand how for some people, the american flag is more than "just a flag". But the very thing the flag stands for, completely contradicts getting upset over not appreciating the flag. And this is what I find troublesome. You can be proud of America's freedoms represented through the flag, without being patriotic. In fact, teaching us to view the flag as a patriotic symbol is often contradictory in nature. 

I don't mind seeing the flag as more than a flag. But this is just idiotic. These players obviously at least in some way appreciate their country. They're just protesting what I assume to be injustices(I'm honestly not into sports so i'm not entirely caught up on this, sorry).  

I also think that flags as a symbol are way more meaningful in the context of standing together, but a national anthem during a sports game? Who gives a shit? This stuff needs to get out of the school system too imo, kind of creepy when you think about it.

It's funny because i'm entirely against patriotism but I think I have more sympathy for patriotic people then most. I can tolerate it and understand why it's there. I think the problem with our country is that we all complain too much. Instead of standing together and making change we have people that just say "Wow, 'Merica is so fucking stupid! God, I hate being american!" and then you have the people who in responce are too defensive of america. Neither group really gets anything done. 



People making a stink about this "issue" on either side of the fence are being ridiculous. The whole thing is just absurd and stupid as hell. Like seriously, THESE are the kinds of things we worry about in this country? Aren't there more important things to worry about? 

Athletes have every right to kneel if they want to under the first amendment. Serisouly, who the hell cares? It's not like they're not still playing the game. Likewise, consumers, teams, and yes, even the president, ALSO have the right to call them out if they want under the first amendment. It's litterally as simple as that. This is the beauty of the first amendment - EVERYONE gets to express their voice in a free exchange of ideas. Any free society should operate this way. 



 

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Ka-pi96 said:
Harkins1721 said:

To each their own. You were brought up differently from others. As was I. However im not the professional sports player making millions every year and doing nothing but kneeling.

"A sup par/mediocre quarterback started a trend of kneeling during an anthem. This led to other millionaire players doing the same thing, which in turn got everybody and their momma talking about it.
So ratings decline because an ineffective form of protest by millionaires makes the people that line their pockets, not want to watch the sport.
Meanwhile, the actual thing they're protesting remains unchanged because kneeling does absolutely nothing towards working towards fixing the issue... it just gets everybody bickering at each other; notice, most people aren't event talking about what they're supposedly protesting. Likely when election time comes around, the millionaire kneelers will buck dance for some politician who will pay lip service to the "reform."

Because passing new laws and using the word "accountability" a thousand times will somehow make government agents follow rules, even though they don't follow the ones that exist now."

Those professional sports players aren't exactly doing nothing but kneeling, they're still doing profession sports after all

And while something as small as that seems like a silly reason not to watch a sport you enjoy, I gotta ask are ratings actually decreasing by any significant amount? I wouldn't really know where to look for ratings for NFL, although I did find super bowl ratings on wikipedia and that doesn't really show any decline (and even if it did I'd have to wonder if that may have been due to the teams involved rather than because of kneeling during the anthem).

I can agree that it won't really do anything towards fixing the issue. Especially since those with the power to actually do anything about it don't seem interested in even trying. But regardless, at least they are showing they recognise the issue and support a solution rather than just ignoring it.

Hahaha thats true. I played hockey when I was younger. Sports are hard work and very demanding. As the for the ratings I guess I could have cropped that out. I just quoted it from a post I liked. But I do not know if any ratings have changed. Football is big so I doubt it. But it be more meaningful if they did things off the field. Like I said I deal with it everyday id like for my one day off a week to beable to escape from the BS and just watch some football. These people are millionaires surely during break they could do something right? 



monocle_layton said:
Harkins1721 said:

Alright tough guy. Calm your tats please. Ready to attack arent you?

Because Trump said get those SOB's off the field. And the news twisted his words. People have the right to stand or sit. It doesnt harm me. I have plenty of friends and family in the miltary so I do it for them not for me. Im not exactly religious yet I hold my hand over my heart and respect "In God We Trust", and respect the flag and what it means for this country.

Guess what? Not everyone does. I don't need a flag or some anthem to help fellow Americans. People should be allowed to disagree and kneel without having the president of all people calling them sons of bitches

 

Maybe Trump should get his head out of his ass and care about issues besides sports. For fuck's sake, when did Obama devote his time whining about conservatives or players who despise him?

Tim Thomas of the Boston Bruins refused to visit Obama and I don't remember him saying one thing about it.



What Trump fails to realize is that all NFL players are fortunate to be in a powerful union so the owners can't fire them for something as trivial as not standing up during the national anthem.



It's really ridiculous that so many consider patriotism to be something to judge a person by. Even more ridiculous is that being patriotic is seen as something POSITIVE.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Harkins1721 said:

To each their own. You were brought up differently from others. As was I. However im not the professional sports player making millions every year and doing nothing but kneeling.

"A sup par/mediocre quarterback started a trend of kneeling during an anthem. This led to other millionaire players doing the same thing, which in turn got everybody and their momma talking about it.
So ratings decline because an ineffective form of protest by millionaires makes the people that line their pockets, not want to watch the sport.
Meanwhile, the actual thing they're protesting remains unchanged because kneeling does absolutely nothing towards working towards fixing the issue... it just gets everybody bickering at each other; notice, most people aren't event talking about what they're supposedly protesting. Likely when election time comes around, the millionaire kneelers will buck dance for some politician who will pay lip service to the "reform."

Because passing new laws and using the word "accountability" a thousand times will somehow make government agents follow rules, even though they don't follow the ones that exist now."

Those professional sports players aren't exactly doing nothing but kneeling, they're still doing profession sports after all

And while something as small as that seems like a silly reason not to watch a sport you enjoy, I gotta ask are ratings actually decreasing by any significant amount? I wouldn't really know where to look for ratings for NFL, although I did find super bowl ratings on wikipedia and that doesn't really show any decline (and even if it did I'd have to wonder if that may have been due to the teams involved rather than because of kneeling during the anthem).

I can agree that it won't really do anything towards fixing the issue. Especially since those with the power to actually do anything about it don't seem interested in even trying. But regardless, at least they are showing they recognise the issue and support a solution rather than just ignoring it.

NFL ratings made a huge decline last year (like a 10% viewership decline). I don't get why Trump is trying to make it seem like it's all about the anthem and flag when ratings have been in decline for a year.