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Carl2291 said:

http://kotaku.com/the-nintendo-switch-keeps-outselling-the-ps4-in-japan-1798691215

Pretty good article with some really interesting charts and graphs. For those not in the know, be enlightened. This should put things into perspective.

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It took the Nintendo Switch 26 Weeks to sell 1,527,962 units, while in comparison, it took the PlayStation 4 a total 69 Weeks to sell a similar number. 

Figures come from Media Create.

Johnw1104 said:

Trying to mislead me with impressive statistics and figures! I saw those three tweets from grumpy Japanese players that claim to have lost interest due to it being sold out, clearly the Switch is on the decline in Japan.

Aura7541 said:
I really want to see the Switch's sales when Pokemon comes out for it.
Azuren said:
Yeah, handhelds typically do better in Japan.
CleggaZ said:
Nice to see japan still love their handhelds.
kljesta64 said:
nintendoland
BraLoD said:
A handheld beating a home console in Japan isn't news since 2004 or something


As things stand, my body is ready to grab popcorn and watch Reggie trolling American gamers again when supplies for USA will be diverted to Japan.   



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DonFerrari said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
I may be the only person on the record saying I felt Switch had the Wii-like aura around it. I expected it to be a massive success when everyone else was giving me hell over my prediction. I stand by my prediction that it will sell Wii like numbers which is looking increasingly likely now than back in January when I made my prediction.

Yeah, sure you are the only person that expected 100M+ sales from Switch.

You quoted my post... only to spin my words? Like, my words are right there in front of you. How do you manage to get this so wrong? What you just did was so pathetic that it circles back to impressive. Please, do not quote or interact with me again. I will just ignore you.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jranation said:

LMAO! 

Jump to page 85, where the first sales numbers where revealed. The crow population certainly diminished there again

And is it just me, or does it remind anybody else of the old Wii (or revolution, as it was still called) April's Fools Hoax which turned out to be 100% true in every aspect and it's wave of disbelieving posters... until the sales numbers came in and everybody laughing at those posters? Too sad the comment section is now deleted there

Oh lol! That was a good read xD 



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yeah, sure you are the only person that expected 100M+ sales from Switch.

You quoted my post... only to spin my words? Like, my words are right there in front of you. How do you manage to get this so wrong? What you just did was so pathetic that it circles back to impressive. Please, do not quote or interact with me again. I will just ignore you.

Do whatever you want, even pretending you were the only one thinking Switch had a Wii aura.



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Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Have you adjusted for inflation because $300 today isn't $300 back when previous Nintendo consoles launched.  Back in 2007 Switch would cost around $250 so I'm glad we've debunked this myth.  

 

Back in 2000 the switch would of cost just over $20 and in 1990 just over $150! 

 

So by today's standards $300 really ain't much especially when you're talking a powerful handheld which the likes of 3DS, DS,  GB etc weren't powerful when they launched. 

It doesn't really matter, if you compare prices of Nintendo console compared to MS/Sony console fromt that time you will see that Nintendo were always much less cheaper in any case.

$300 is price of PS4 (most strongest and most popular console on market), so yes, $300 would definitely high for only handheld device.

It does matter and the ps4 is a few years old so makes sense to be cheaper.  

 

If switch was a weak ass portable it would not justify it's price but it's powerful so most certainly does. 



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That's good. Last gen did quite the number on Japan's home console industry.



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Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

It doesn't really matter, if you compare prices of Nintendo console compared to MS/Sony console fromt that time you will see that Nintendo were always much less cheaper in any case.

$300 is price of PS4 (most strongest and most popular console on market), so yes, $300 would definitely high for only handheld device.

It does matter and the ps4 is a few years old so makes sense to be cheaper.  

 

If switch was a weak ass portable it would not justify it's price but it's powerful so most certainly does. 

Fact is that doesnt relly matter, again, if you compare prices of Nintendo console compared to MS/Sony console from that time you will see that Nintendo consoles were always much cheaper in any case. PS2 launched at $299 while GC at $199, PS3 launch at $599 while Wii at $249, PS4 was launched at $400 while Wii U at $299 and Switch at $300. Again doesn't really matter, PS4 is less than 4 years on market, and its most popular and strongest console on market (3rd party games looks/works better than on other consoles), so having handheld at same price point at $300 would definitely be too much, and handheld with that price point would easily fail.

You would need to know that power is not what selling Nintendo systems, so $300 would be easily too much for just handheld despite power, only Switch handheld would easily failed with that price point without price cut, but Switch justify its $300 price because it's hybrid, its handheld but also home console in same time, and has two controller out of box for local multiplayer, so thats real value of Switch and one of main reasons why is selling great.



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

It does matter and the ps4 is a few years old so makes sense to be cheaper.  

 

If switch was a weak ass portable it would not justify it's price but it's powerful so most certainly does. 

Fact is that doesnt relly matter, again, if you compare prices of Nintendo console compared to MS/Sony console from that time you will see that Nintendo consoles were always much cheaper in any case. PS2 launched at $299 while GC at $199, PS3 launch at $599 while Wii at $249, PS4 was launched at $400 while Wii U at $299 and Switch at $300. Again doesn't really matter, PS4 is less than 4 years on market, and its most popular and strongest console on market (3rd party games looks/works better than on other consoles), so having handheld at same price point at $300 would definitely be too much, and handheld with that price point would easily fail.

You would need to know that power is not what selling Nintendo systems, so $300 would be easily too much for just handheld despite power, only Switch handheld would easily failed with that price point without price cut, but Switch justify its $300 price because it's hybrid, its handheld but also home console in same time, and has two controller out of box for local multiplayer, so thats real value of Switch and one of main reasons why is selling great.

$300 is nothing for a shiney new electronics device these days. 

This gen PS4 launched at $400 and Xbox $500. 

Switch the cheapest launch at $300. 

Your definition of priced like a handheld needs to account for inflation and the power of the system. The Switch is a powerful portable and it's priced as such. 

My whole argument is that switch is selling so well in japan because it's firstly a portable. The fact its got a big screen mode is secondary. But because it's also a home console that actually means ths portable should be selling better then past handhelds because unlike them it's got the additional feature of a home console. 

If 3DS had a home console mode you'd expect it's sales to be even higher. 



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Fact is that doesnt relly matter, again, if you compare prices of Nintendo console compared to MS/Sony console from that time you will see that Nintendo consoles were always much cheaper in any case. PS2 launched at $299 while GC at $199, PS3 launch at $599 while Wii at $249, PS4 was launched at $400 while Wii U at $299 and Switch at $300. Again doesn't really matter, PS4 is less than 4 years on market, and its most popular and strongest console on market (3rd party games looks/works better than on other consoles), so having handheld at same price point at $300 would definitely be too much, and handheld with that price point would easily fail.

You would need to know that power is not what selling Nintendo systems, so $300 would be easily too much for just handheld despite power, only Switch handheld would easily failed with that price point without price cut, but Switch justify its $300 price because it's hybrid, its handheld but also home console in same time, and has two controller out of box for local multiplayer, so thats real value of Switch and one of main reasons why is selling great.

$300 is nothing for a shiney new electronics device these days. 

This gen PS4 launched at $400 and Xbox $500. Switch the cheapest launch at $300.

Your definition of priced like a handheld needs to account for inflation and the power of the system. The Switch is a powerful portable and it's priced as such. 

My whole argument is that switch is selling so well in japan because it's firstly a portable. The fact its got a big screen mode is secondary. But because it's also a home console that actually means ths portable should be selling better then past handhelds because unlike them it's got the additional feature of a home console. 

If 3DS had a home console mode you'd expect it's sales to be even higher. 

You are wrong, it is for only handheld console when you have pretty good phones or tablets for $150.

Wii U launch just year earlier before PS4/XB1 with $300 price point. Switch has same launch price like Wii U, $50 higher price point than Wii and $100 higher than GC.

Even with included inflation $300 would be too much for handheld in any case (again, 3DS needed price cut to $170 in order to start selling, PS4 is $300 and its less than 4 years on market, and its most popular and strongest console on market, 3rd party games looks/works better than on other consoles), despite fact that Switch is strong for handheld, still would be too much for only handheld, power is not what is selling Nintendo hardware, and definatly not reason why Switch is selling or why 3DS were selling or why Vita didnt sell.

Switch is selling good on first place in Japan beacuse its partily handheld and we all know that Japan loves handhelds, but thats not only reason why is selling so good and why is so much popular, full home console mode, tabletop mode, local multiplayer even in portable mode, and two Joy Cons for local multiplayer out of box, give to Switch much bigger value than Switch would have its just a $300 handheld, and same goes for sales. So Switch would have much worse sales that it is now if its just a handheld, even in Japan, beacuse it would have much worse value for $300 price point than it has curently, Switch like hybrid device with two controllers out of box for local multiplayer have pretty good value for its price point and thats reason why has so good sales.

If 3DS had home console mode and two controllers for local multiplayer out of box, and had around $100 higher price point, I wouldn't so sure that would have better sales than it had now. I am pretty sure that only handheld Switch for around $100 lower price point than current Switch version will be more popular than current version of Switch in Japan.



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

$300 is nothing for a shiney new electronics device these days. 

This gen PS4 launched at $400 and Xbox $500. Switch the cheapest launch at $300.

Your definition of priced like a handheld needs to account for inflation and the power of the system. The Switch is a powerful portable and it's priced as such. 

My whole argument is that switch is selling so well in japan because it's firstly a portable. The fact its got a big screen mode is secondary. But because it's also a home console that actually means ths portable should be selling better then past handhelds because unlike them it's got the additional feature of a home console. 

If 3DS had a home console mode you'd expect it's sales to be even higher. 

You are wrong, it is for only handheld console when you have pretty good phones or tablets for $150.

Wii U launch just year earlier before PS4/XB1 with $300 price point. Switch has same launch price like Wii U, $50 higher price point than Wii and $100 higher than GC.

Even with included inflation $300 would be too much for handheld in any case (again, 3DS needed price cut to $170 in order to start selling, PS4 is $300 and its less than 4 years on market, and its most popular and strongest console on market, 3rd party games looks/works better than on other consoles), despite fact that Switch is strong for handheld, still would be too much for only handheld, power is not what is selling Nintendo hardware, and definatly not reason why Switch is selling or why 3DS were selling or why Vita didnt sell.

Switch is selling good on first place in Japan beacuse its partily handheld and we all know that Japan loves handhelds, but thats not only reason why is selling so good and why is so much popular, full home console mode, tabletop mode, local multiplayer even in portable mode, and two Joy Cons for local multiplayer out of box, give to Switch much bigger value than Switch would have its just a $300 handheld, and same goes for sales. So Switch would have much worse sales that it is now if its just a handheld, even in Japan, beacuse it would have much worse value for $300 price point than it has curently, Switch like hybrid device with two controllers out of box for local multiplayer have pretty good value for its price point and thats reason why has so good sales.

If 3DS had home console mode and two controllers for local multiplayer out of box, and had around $100 higher price point, I wouldn't so sure that would have better sales than it had now. I am pretty sure that only handheld Switch for around $100 lower price point than current Switch version will be more popular than current version of Switch in Japan.

If 3DS had all those things and was powerful (it was very weak)  then it would have had much higher demand at launch. 

 

You are on the same page as me on one thing though.  That Switch is selling more because it's a handheld + home console. And that's why I always say it's sales should be compared to another gens handheld + console and not just one.  

 

Those past consoles didn't have the hybrid feature to benefit their sales. And if it had stock Switch would be selling even more making those comparisons make even more sense. 

 

You can pretend Switch isn't priced like a portable but in reality it is.  it's priced like a powerful portable not a weak one. You could also argue it's priced like a weak home console which it is.  Because at the end of the day it's a very powerful portable but a weak home console.