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SegataSanshiro on 21 August 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
SegataSanshiro said:

No that's not it. MS forced a multiplayer mode on the game and the engine wasn't built for that. It's a game that started on the Wii but moved to the Xbox One. MS decided to fund it and part way into development told them they wanted online multiplayer. Kamiya tried to put it in but it wasn't working.

Ms canceled Fable Legends as well, canceled again a game they wanted to be online multiplayer canceled

They Phantom Dust. They gave the studio a very small budget and then told them what they want. Online multiplayer. Darkside said fine but they need more funding for what MS wants. MS told them to fuck off cancelled the game and shut down the studio.

 

Then they cancelled Ion

Knoxvillle

Adrift

 

There was more but MS usually just dropping a project. The 3 well known ones..they forced online multiplayer in. MS seems to have adopted a policy of all their exclusives must have online multiplayer.

Again, Scalebound was too ambitious for its own good. That probably killed the project as it existed but MS owns it so anything could happen.

I played the Fable Legends beta, it had nice visuals but boring gameplay. Assets and story from that could potentially go to Fable 4. It was also built on UE4 which MS seems to be fond of.

There shouldnt have been a Phantom Dust remake. The port is solid and avoids a potentially bad remake.

Eitherway, every project you mentioned is old news now and none of it was significant. The big push for online is mostly gone as well, aside from games having multiplayer features.

All baseless assumtpions in order to defend bad decisions by MS.



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Teeqoz on 21 August 2017

The XBO will easily make up the difference come holiday. You guys are forgetting that the XBO outsold the 3DS by 1.5 million in november+december in the US only last year. I don't think Japan will be enough to make up for that.



darkenergy on 21 August 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
I have never seen a console fail so hard when it's technically not failing as weirdly as Xbox One has. Seemingly has sold 30 million units but also stagnating from the lack of exclusives. The switch comes mid gen and steals more market from it. MS is acting like they don't care and think the solution is an even more expensive system but still the lack of exclusives.

Calling the X1 failing when it's almost on par with the 360 in the same time frame doesn't make sense and saying lack of exclusives is ignoring games like Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, Cuphead, etc. 



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SegataSanshiro on 21 August 2017
darkenergy said:
SegataSanshiro said:
I have never seen a console fail so hard when it's technically not failing as weirdly as Xbox One has. Seemingly has sold 30 million units but also stagnating from the lack of exclusives. The switch comes mid gen and steals more market from it. MS is acting like they don't care and think the solution is an even more expensive system but still the lack of exclusives.

Calling the X1 failing when it's almost on par with the 360 in the same time frame doesn't make sense and saying lack of exclusives is ignoring games like Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, Cuphead, etc. 

Nothing is ignored. None of those games compare to the competition and Crackdown 3 was delayed yet again and has had nothing but bad press. 2017 has been vapid for Xbox while Nintendo and Sony are having stellar years. A console that released in 2013 should not be having a worse year than a console released in 2017. The sad part is, it's not even a close race for best exclusives. Xbox is near nonexistent in 2017. I never mentioned sales. You did. Also, you don't know if it's selling as well as 360. MS won't release numbers. That's not a good sign. You seem to be able to read more to a post that is there because if you read carefully.I know it's hard to see but it does say "when it's technically not failing". So let's read this again. I know it's hard to see but it says " I have never seen a console fail so hard when it's technically not failing as weirdly as Xbox One."  Look hard because I am fairly sure that sentence is in there under some hieroglyphics.



StarDoor on 21 August 2017
darkenergy said:
SegataSanshiro said:
I have never seen a console fail so hard when it's technically not failing as weirdly as Xbox One has. Seemingly has sold 30 million units but also stagnating from the lack of exclusives. The switch comes mid gen and steals more market from it. MS is acting like they don't care and think the solution is an even more expensive system but still the lack of exclusives.

Calling the X1 failing when it's almost on par with the 360 in the same time frame doesn't make sense and saying lack of exclusives is ignoring games like Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, Cuphead, etc. 

Now, I don't think that the X1 is failing, but to play devil's advocate:

The X1 is only on par currently because of stronger initial sales; all evidence points to worse legs in the long run.

X360/XOne
2005/2013: 1.2 million versus 3.1 million
2006/2014: 6.8 million versus 7.9 million
2007/2015: 7.9 million versus 8.6 million
2008/2016: 10.9 million versus 8.3 million
2009/2017: 10.2 million
2010: 13.3 million
2011: 13.8 million
2012: 10.7 million
2013: 6.2 million

The Xbox 360 followed a very unusual sales curve, peaking in its sixth year and getting a successor in its eighth year. Now, the Xbox One has never sold more than 10 million in a single year, so it's hard to see how it could compete with four more consecutive years that had the 360 selling over 10 million.

Last generation, the AAA third-party console market was almost a 50/50 split between the PS3 and Xbox 360. This gen, it's been 2/1 in favor of the PS4, and the ratio has been worse for Xbox in 2017. The only way for the Xbox One to even come close to the 360 is if the overall market has grown from 170 million to 240 million, and that would necessitate the PS4 becoming the best-selling video game console of all time at 160 million.



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Mr Puggsly on 21 August 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Again, Scalebound was too ambitious for its own good. That probably killed the project as it existed but MS owns it so anything could happen.

I played the Fable Legends beta, it had nice visuals but boring gameplay. Assets and story from that could potentially go to Fable 4. It was also built on UE4 which MS seems to be fond of.

There shouldnt have been a Phantom Dust remake. The port is solid and avoids a potentially bad remake.

Eitherway, every project you mentioned is old news now and none of it was significant. The big push for online is mostly gone as well, aside from games having multiplayer features.

All baseless assumtpions in order to defend bad decisions by MS.

What bad decisions? Cancelling bad projects.

Reception on all those projects wasnt great.



Recently Completed: 
River City: Rival Showdown for 3DS (3/5) - River City: Tokyo Rumble for 3DS (4/5) - Zelda: BotW for Wii U (5/5) - Zelda: BotW for Switch (5/5) - Zelda: Link's Awakening for Switch (4/5) - Rage 2 for X1X (4/5) - Rage for 360 (3/5) - Streets of Rage 4 for X1/PC (4/5) - Gears 5 for X1X (5/5) - Mortal Kombat 11 for X1X (5/5) - Doom 64 for N64 (emulator) (3/5) - Crackdown 3 for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

Mr Puggsly on 21 August 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
darkenergy said:

Calling the X1 failing when it's almost on par with the 360 in the same time frame doesn't make sense and saying lack of exclusives is ignoring games like Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, Cuphead, etc. 

Nothing is ignored. None of those games compare to the competition and Crackdown 3 was delayed yet again and has had nothing but bad press. 2017 has been vapid for Xbox while Nintendo and Sony are having stellar years. A console that released in 2013 should not be having a worse year than a console released in 2017. The sad part is, it's not even a close race for best exclusives. Xbox is near nonexistent in 2017. I never mentioned sales. You did. Also, you don't know if it's selling as well as 360. MS won't release numbers. That's not a good sign. You seem to be able to read more to a post that is there because if you read carefully.I know it's hard to see but it does say "when it's technically not failing". So let's read this again. I know it's hard to see but it says " I have never seen a console fail so hard when it's technically not failing as weirdly as Xbox One."  Look hard because I am fairly sure that sentence is in there under some hieroglyphics.

2017 is objectively not a great year for X1 exclusives. Although, there will be a few solid releases in the end. But you ignore Sony and Nintendo have had slow years as well.

A platforms library isnt just one modest year. If I were gonna suggest some buy a PS4 or Wii U I'm not just gonna recommend 2017 games.



Recently Completed: 
River City: Rival Showdown for 3DS (3/5) - River City: Tokyo Rumble for 3DS (4/5) - Zelda: BotW for Wii U (5/5) - Zelda: BotW for Switch (5/5) - Zelda: Link's Awakening for Switch (4/5) - Rage 2 for X1X (4/5) - Rage for 360 (3/5) - Streets of Rage 4 for X1/PC (4/5) - Gears 5 for X1X (5/5) - Mortal Kombat 11 for X1X (5/5) - Doom 64 for N64 (emulator) (3/5) - Crackdown 3 for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

ThisGuyFooks on 21 August 2017
Mr Puggsly said:

 

2017 is objectively not a great year for X1 exclusives. Although, there will be a few solid releases in the end. But you ignore Sony and Nintendo have had slow years as well.

A platforms library isnt just one modest year. If I were gonna suggest some buy a PS4 or Wii U I'm not just gonna recommend 2017 games.

If you've been gaming long enough, you would know that Sony ALWAYS starts slow, and then slowly but surely ramp up the quantity and quality of their exclusives, to end the generation with a strong note.

Xbox has been the opposite. They seem to always Front Load their exclusives to their first years and lose steam with each passing year. It happened to the Xbox. It happened to the Xbox 360. It is happening to the Xbox One.

Im not surprised by any of this.



SegataSanshiro on 21 August 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
SegataSanshiro said:

All baseless assumtpions in order to defend bad decisions by MS.

What bad decisions? Cancelling bad projects.

Reception on all those projects wasnt great.

Again making assumptiuons.



Mr Puggsly on 21 August 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
Mr Puggsly said:

What bad decisions? Cancelling bad projects.

Reception on all those projects wasnt great.

Again making assumptiuons.

Hah, yeah they were looking so great that MS felt cancelling them was a good move. That makes sense.

Word around was Scalebound was a mess, Fable Legends was boring, and Phantom Dust had budget proble s for a niche product.

MS certainly needs more games, but that stuff as is was not great.



Recently Completed: 
River City: Rival Showdown for 3DS (3/5) - River City: Tokyo Rumble for 3DS (4/5) - Zelda: BotW for Wii U (5/5) - Zelda: BotW for Switch (5/5) - Zelda: Link's Awakening for Switch (4/5) - Rage 2 for X1X (4/5) - Rage for 360 (3/5) - Streets of Rage 4 for X1/PC (4/5) - Gears 5 for X1X (5/5) - Mortal Kombat 11 for X1X (5/5) - Doom 64 for N64 (emulator) (3/5) - Crackdown 3 for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)