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Aeolus451 on 04 August 2017
DonFerrari said:
What I find funny in some people judgement and reasoning is that a dog or cat killing another pet is reason enough to kill it, a human being killing 20 people and we shall try to reintroduce the person in society. What is the logic in it? Threat the irrational as being rational even when the damage it causes is quite small and threat rational beings as incapable of restrain even when their tool on society is imense.

I have the same mindset with people too. If they rape, kill, molest, commit something similar to an acid attack or commit enough crimes that the punishments stack up to over 20 years. put 'em down. The whole process of executing a prisoner needs to be reformed so it's inexpensive and quick. 



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Green098 on 04 August 2017
smroadkill15 said:
I went and apologized to the wife of the family who owns the cat. No one else was home. I really do feel bad about the the whole situation and she could tell I meant everything I said. She was understanding and thankful for me coming over and apologizing. The real challenge will be the husband because he was way more upset when it happened. I gave them my phone number and told her if there is anything I can do let me know.

Before this, I called the local pet control and they said the best thing you can try to do is make amends with the neighbor. It seems like to me there is no law about putting the dog down for killing a cat. I'm sure I'll hear back from them at some point because the neighbor did report it last night.

Good to hear, at the end of day the most important opinions about this are your neighbours not ours. They also could have been much more upset by the intial shock so are now more understanding and open to forgiving.  I didn't think the dog would be put down over this especially if it was first time anything like this has happened so that's good to hear that it seems very unlikely he will be.



DonFerrari on 04 August 2017
FloatingWaffles said:
DonFerrari said:

Or a spring to keep the door shut even if someone forget to lock it.

Yes, that would be fair and considerated. If you like your pet you can assume the other guy liked his as well and think what would you appreciate being done if it was your pet being killed.

1- Yes he could. And one day the cat would die and he would probably get a new one either way. The new cat can't be used as reparation, but also can't be said as if nothing would ammend.

2- Any animal (human included) can potentially kill others, so they may kill bear because a bear that drinked human blood is said to be more propense to kill again, but just basing that something can attack X because attacked Y is flawed. You are assuming he doesn't even know his dog and saw how it get along with humans, kids, dogs, etc... he even said his dog doesn't like cats.

3 - he does give a fuck if you read his replies.

and 4 - it was his father's dog and he seems to terminate the dog, so he isn't totally sincere in the thread.

5 - So if someone kill a person pet should he be killed as well? Or if he kills another human being?

If your father kill someone do you suggest he is killed since he killed someone that another one loved?

If someone of your family kills a pet or another human and is killed in vengeance would you also accept it?

Nope... he said it's natural that dogs hunt cats (which are smaller) as much as is natural that cats hunt birds and mices. He said he is biased because it's his dog, not because dogs are better than cats... improve your interpretation skills.

Yes you are right... I want to know what would these people do in the same situation... and if they will accept any punishment if their child did something wrong since they would be responsible for the child.

5 - This is a flawed logic you're trying to propose because animals don't have the same logic and thinking that humans do. Animals don't know right from wrong like most humans do. They don't have the same understanding as humans. If a human kills another human or a pet it's not the same thing as a pet doing it because humans are capable of cooperation, they made that choice (and it was a horrible choice and they should face the charges of theri crimes obviously) to do what they did, where as if a pet does it, like has been said multiple times, it is because it more of an instinct of theirs and they couldn't control themselves and did it because they didn't think anything was wrong with it. If a pet does it they don't know or learn that it's wrong, which is why they may think it's fine to do it again in the future after seeing how easy it was the first time and nothing happened to them for it. So at that point once they attack or even kill someone they are a risk that need to be put down imo because they don't know not to do it again. One time is all it takes. 

And he literally said "I don't think a dog killing a cat is worth putting a dog down. It would be different if the dog attacked another dog or person. He would be put down immediately". That implies that he thinks because it was a cat that his dog shouldn't be put down, but if it was a dog or a human then it should. That says that he thinks cat are lesser beings and aren't as big of a deal if they get killed as opposed to another dog or such. Improve your response skills. 

Your logic is flawed... if animals doesn't have a logical thinking how would they assume that because they attacked a cat once without being killed it can kill humans?

Also, if human beings are logical and inteligent they also already know that killing someone or someone pet is wrong. So why more lenience to the one that should already know than to the one that wouldn't ever know?

He explained why. It isn't because dogs are better than dogs is because of animal chain of power that a dog hunting a cat seems as normal as a cat hunting a bird. But a dog attacking another dog or a human would be either attacking an equal or something more valuable and that would be more wrong.



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DonFerrari on 04 August 2017
Aeolus451 said:
DonFerrari said:
What I find funny in some people judgement and reasoning is that a dog or cat killing another pet is reason enough to kill it, a human being killing 20 people and we shall try to reintroduce the person in society. What is the logic in it? Threat the irrational as being rational even when the damage it causes is quite small and threat rational beings as incapable of restrain even when their tool on society is imense.

I have the same mindset with people too. If they rape, kill, molest, commit something similar to an acid attack or commit enough crimes that the punishments stack up to over 20 years. put 'em down. The whole process of executing a prisoner needs to be reformed so it's inexpensive and quick. 

I do agree with you with only one difference. Humans should be held to higher standards than dogs. So it may be ok a dog killing a cat on a hunt, but not for a human to kill a dog for fun.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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JakDaSnack on 04 August 2017
DonFerrari said:
JakDaSnack said:

Nope, I never said anything about inferior vs superior beings, I was referring to value, and I was referring to overall species and their overall impact.  Not once did I say the solution was to kill lives, that was you.  You seem to think that I should kill myself, which is incredibly disturbing.  Which is only adding to my argument lol, a cat would never suggest I end my life, now would a dog or a hamster.  Yet YOU would, interesting....

Errr having less value is being inferior. Not kill lives, but you kill yourself since you value humans so little. A dog can't speak. And I may be crazy, but I think I saw you saying the dog should be put down.

Ka-pi96 said:

Technically if he really did want to wipe out humans for being inferior (which he clearly doesn`t), then he should be the last one that gets wiped out, not the first.

You are technically right, but he also should be the example... and he killing himself first we wouldn't lose other people besides him.

Clearly your confusing me with someone else, I was 100% against putting the dog down, I said the dog should be given to a better owner and the guy should face jail time(though being sued would be fine).  I also said ALL life was precious, Just because I have humans lower in the heirarchy doesn't mean I don't value human life.  I value ALL lives, you continue to make assumptions and put words in my mouth....stop it lol.

 



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FloatingWaffles on 04 August 2017
DonFerrari said:
FloatingWaffles said:

5 - This is a flawed logic you're trying to propose because animals don't have the same logic and thinking that humans do. Animals don't know right from wrong like most humans do. They don't have the same understanding as humans. If a human kills another human or a pet it's not the same thing as a pet doing it because humans are capable of cooperation, they made that choice (and it was a horrible choice and they should face the charges of theri crimes obviously) to do what they did, where as if a pet does it, like has been said multiple times, it is because it more of an instinct of theirs and they couldn't control themselves and did it because they didn't think anything was wrong with it. If a pet does it they don't know or learn that it's wrong, which is why they may think it's fine to do it again in the future after seeing how easy it was the first time and nothing happened to them for it. So at that point once they attack or even kill someone they are a risk that need to be put down imo because they don't know not to do it again. One time is all it takes. 

And he literally said "I don't think a dog killing a cat is worth putting a dog down. It would be different if the dog attacked another dog or person. He would be put down immediately". That implies that he thinks because it was a cat that his dog shouldn't be put down, but if it was a dog or a human then it should. That says that he thinks cat are lesser beings and aren't as big of a deal if they get killed as opposed to another dog or such. Improve your response skills. 

Your logic is flawed... if animals doesn't have a logical thinking how would they assume that because they attacked a cat once without being killed it can kill humans?

Also, if human beings are logical and inteligent they also already know that killing someone or someone pet is wrong. So why more lenience to the one that should already know than to the one that wouldn't ever know?

He explained why. It isn't because dogs are better than dogs is because of animal chain of power that a dog hunting a cat seems as normal as a cat hunting a bird. But a dog attacking another dog or a human would be either attacking an equal or something more valuable and that would be more wrong.

What I mean is a dog attacking or killing a cat, and nothing happening to them, may allow them to attack other things in the future just because they feel like it. One day they might just attack someone for no reason just like the cat. There's no logic in it. I remember there being stories and videos of dogs attacking their owners completely out of nowhere as well even when they didn't seem angry or anything. 

I'm not giving more lenience to one over the other, both are shitty things to happen whether it be by a human or animal, but i'm trying to say that you can't have the same kind of cooperation with an animal like you can a human. If a human were to make a decision to kill a human or a pet you can usually assume that they already knew it was wrong but because they're a shitty person they did it anyway. With an animal it's just unpredictable because even if you try to teach them that what they did was wrong, you may think for a while they understand, but one day perhaps their instincts will kick in or they'll just decide to attack something again. 

Ultimately of course I don't want any animals to have to be put down, but the way I see it is once they do it the first time unexpectedly, even if you think they've learned not to do it again and that what they did was wrong, it may just be a timer before they decide to have another unexpected attack in the future because like has been said in the thread, they have instincts. Do I think an animal should be put down for essentially being what it is, an animal? No, but it gets to a point where they are just a risk to others and should at least be taken away then imo. 



Namiirei on 04 August 2017
DonFerrari said:

Namiirei said:
Dude, it's 120% your fault, and your responsability.

Add to that, for some people, their pet is the same as another member of the family (it is for me), you'r lucky the cat owner seems like a somewhat cool guy, another one would 100% sue you, punch you in the face or something else.

I personally think your dog need to die, or at least be severely restricted in his movements.
If it happen once again and he attack another cat, or worse, a kid, you will have a hard time explaining why you let a dangerous dog like this one alive.

If your father kill someone do you suggest he is killed since he killed someone that another one loved?

Sorry, i'm lost here. Develop a bit.

 



bluedawgs on 04 August 2017

Don't you dare let anything happen to that dog, if you let those animal control fucks or the pigs do anything to your dog you should be ashamed of yourself



Pyro as Bill on 04 August 2017
smroadkill15 said:
I went and apologized to the wife of the family who owns the cat. No one else was home. I really do feel bad about the the whole situation and she could tell I meant everything I said. She was understanding and thankful for me coming over and apologizing. The real challenge will be the husband because he was way more upset when it happened. I gave them my phone number and told her if there is anything I can do let me know.

Before this, I called the local pet control and they said the best thing you can try to do is make amends with the neighbor. It seems like to me there is no law about putting the dog down for killing a cat. I'm sure I'll hear back from them at some point because the neighbor did report it last night.

Sounds like your dog saved you a few hundred in vet's bills by doing it clean. You should treat your dog and buy the neighbour a puppy.



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Jumpin on 04 August 2017

The dog committed catricide.



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