Those are only JRPG's. I can expand the example to include other genres if you like? ;)

It's also growing. Rapidly.

Why can't the reverse argument hold true?

Microsoft dropped the ball with the Xbox One's launch. They got criticized, harshly for it. And rightly so. Sony on the other hand, did everything right with the Playstation 4 and that resonated with consumers... And good for them. They deserve their success.

But don't assume Sony and Nintendo are innocent either, they have all been pretty anti-consumer in the past. Shall I start listing them?

The Great Sony Hack, The removal of Backwards Compatability, Removal of Linux and the Card Reader, Peddling propriety formats like the Sony Memory Stick, Assuming people would get a second job to buy a Playstation 3... List goes on.

To be fair, criticism isn't always a bad thing.
And Microsoft has genuinely deserved it's criticism this generation.

Unless the Microsoft games are also coming to Steam over time which is a good thing. The more available these games are, the better.

Which they aren't. The games were talking about are the brand exclusives (exclusive to X1 and win 10). 

But the XBox 1 still has value since it can still play games, exclusive or not.

So you're agreeing that it did lose value, then. By the way, I didn't say all value was lost earlier. 

So you prefer a game only being available on a single platform versus that game being made available on more than one therefore giving people more choice?

Yes. Especially yes in the situation of xbox one and windows 10. People aren't gonna buy games on windows store because MS isn't allowing mods so it doesn't add any meaningful choice for gamers. It's just MS trying to incentivise people into using windows store by pilfering would be exclusive games from xbox. Also, MS is dialing back it's production of exclusives in general.

However you try to spin the situation, MS' actions are not offering more choice but rather just less. Less people will buy the xbox one because it's not gonna have any games exclusive to it and less exclusives of all types because ms is dialing back on them for xbox one/win 10. So it's really the console of less options. 

That would be great wouldn't it?

It would help and it would be nice for xbox gamers but I doubt that MS would change their mind.

Killer Instinct is coming to Steam soon: https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/19/killer-instinct-coming-to-steam/

This is after Quantum Break came to Steam some time before: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/quantum-break-coming-to-steam/1100-6442517/

It's not much but it's a start. I can't see this as anything but a good thing for the consumer and Microsoft deserves props for moves like these.

It depends. Prior to Killer Instinct getting ported to PC, the game was ONLY playable on XBox 1. Now with a PC port, people have more choice with regards to what platform to get the game on. If someone prefers their fighters on console over PC and love physical media then the console version is the way to go. If they want it on PC because they don't want to pay the yearly subscription or whatever then PC is the way to go.

The consumer has more choice now than when KI was X1 exclusive.

I'm seeing more choice. Prior to Killer Instinct coming to PC, it was ONLY available on X1. Now with it coming to Steam soon, its availability is greater than ever and someone looking to play it can now choose from more hardware on which to play it on.

They can play it on X1 because they like playing games on their wide screen while sitting on their big couch or on their PC because they like using their DS4 or Switch Pro Controller for gaming.

Props to ya Microsoft. This is some pro-consumer stuff. Well done.

Again, that is why I said "here's to Microsoft becoming more competitive against Steam".

I could also name a lot of subscription-based PC games that were popular worldwide way before Xbox Live: Ultima Online, Everquest, (the non-Bioware) Neverwinter Nights...

I agree, but some of your exemples are bad.

The Great Sony Hack : Not an anti-consumer move by Sony (but a lack of security on their part to not hash or crypt a password nonetheless), I think they would have liked to do without it. Futhermore, Sony offered games after this.

Removal of BC : Always sad to loose features, but BC is very dispensable and allowed in this case to lower the price of the PS3. Thus it's pros for consumer.

Removal of Linux : Thanks Geohot for this... but maybe he has rushed a removal that would have be done later in any case.

For the propriety formats, so true ! If only they had remained with the memory stick, but no, they thought that ps vita card would be a good idea v_v

We can just agree to disagree. You're using backwards logic on this stuff and I'm tired of repeating my points. 

It was Anti-Consumer.

It was 100% Sony's fault that they were compromised. Consumers personal details were leaked. That is 100% on Sony.

Or. Sony could have kept a higher priced tiered console that retained the functionality at a hardware level.
Or. They could have actually made a decent software-based backwards compatability approach.

Excuses aren't a solution.

No. You can't blame Geohot. It was Sony's decision. It was removed by Sony's hand. Don't make excuses for Sony, that's not okay.

Propriety formats/standards have always driven me batty... Go back a decade and every single Mobile/Cell phone had a different bloody charge cable! Living in the era of USB has been great.

Sony has its wrongs, I don't say otherwise but I think "anti-consumer" is not the good term because it's not an action desired or controlled by them, or else all companies are thus anti-consumers. Each of them can be (or is already) compromised.

Maybe it could had been a 100% software-based BC (more than just the EE replaced with software for PAL version), but that was not the solution Sony chosen at this time. You said it yourself, they were pretty convinced by the success of their system ("too expensive for you ? Just get a second job !") and they had to react when they had to face reality. Maintain a top tier offer that already proved that it doesn't sell while you're bleeding money ? Well, good luck with that !
Your "if" and "could" aren't a solution too when you have to quickly react. But all of this is only conjectures, the most important for qualifying if it's anti-consumer or not is : What did consumers were expecting most ? a lower price or a feature 80%-90% of them have nothing to do ? hint : see the sales

I don't make excuses for Sony, and as I said, maybe Sony would have removed this later without GeoHot action, but it's just a logical consequence for a company when someone boasts that he has found a solution to hack your system by this way.
When you know your arm is gangrened, you cut your arm (and Linux was more a small toe than an arm for the majority of consumers, and I'm still generous).

Very well. Have a nice day.

I can my new PC have a 1080 TI, but whatever you right not everyone have a good pc for run forza horizons 3, but not everyone like racing game either.

Anyway for me Ps4 = games from japon and mainly JRPG, and my PC is for game like civilization, crusader kings 2, divinity original sin 2 and go on.