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Aeolus451 on 06 July 2017
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KLAMarine said:
Aeolus451 said:

Willful ignorance or pretending to be ignorant? Your questions by yourself and your points can be rebuttaled by things I posted earlier in response to you. 

 

No, I meant Win 10 gamers. You asked "Who really cares if X1 games are playable on win 10 or not" (I'm assuming this was a question despite not having a '?' at the end) and I answered the obvious answer: Win 10 gamers.

It wasn't a question but since you took it as one, might as well go with it. It doesn't matter what you meant because win 10 gamers don't exist in the way you mean it. They are pc gamers even if they are using win 10 as their OS and they're likely using steam so they won't miss something they don't use. 

Unless the Microsoft games are also coming to Steam over time which is a good thing. The more available these games are, the better.

Aeolus451 said:

But the games in question don't then become unplayable on XBox 1 just because they've been ported to PC. What value is being lost?

Xbox loses it's value to consumers because there's nothing exclusive to that console so in other words, a consumer can buy a PS4 and upgrade their pc if they really want to play one or two xbox games, they won't be missing out on anything. 

But the XBox 1 still has value since it can still play games, exclusive or not.

This is a net good because some don't care for PC gaming or think it too expensive or complicated and others just prefer console gaming over PC gaming for whatever reason. For those consumers, the XBox has value. For those who do care about PC gaming, XBox 1 losing exclusives to PC means less need to buy an XBox. Money saved can be used to upgrade a PC or buy games or buy a PS4 since now one doesn't need an XBox to play XBox games.

I find this arrangement grants the consumer more room for maneuver.

Aeolus451 said:

Nice additional option to have regardless.

Here's to Microsoft becoming more competitive against Steam in the near future.

It's not a "nice" option.

So you prefer a game only being available on a single platform versus that game being made available on more than one therefore giving people more choice?

Aeolus451 said:

It won't become competitive against steam by not allowing mods. It's the same as shooting yourself in the foot before the race starts or during the race. The gaming market could use the mercy rule if there was such a thing. 

That's why I said "Here's to Microsoft becoming more competitive against Steam in the near future". If that means Microsoft reversing any restrictions they might have on mods then so be it.

That would be great wouldn't it?

Unless the Microsoft games are also coming to Steam over time which is a good thing. The more available these games are, the better.

Which they aren't. The games were talking about are the brand exclusives (exclusive to X1 and win 10). 

 

But the XBox 1 still has value since it can still play games, exclusive or not.

So you're agreeing that it did lose value, then. By the way, I didn't say all value was lost earlier. 

 

So you prefer a game only being available on a single platform versus that game being made available on more than one therefore giving people more choice?

Yes. Especially yes in the situation of xbox one and windows 10. People aren't gonna buy games on windows store because MS isn't allowing mods so it doesn't add any meaningful choice for gamers. It's just MS trying to incentivise people into using windows store by pilfering would be exclusive games from xbox. Also, MS is dialing back it's production of exclusives in general.

However you try to spin the situation, MS' actions are not offering more choice but rather just less. Less people will buy the xbox one because it's not gonna have any games exclusive to it and less exclusives of all types because ms is dialing back on them for xbox one/win 10. So it's really the console of less options. 

 

That would be great wouldn't it?

It would help and it would be nice for xbox gamers but I doubt that MS would change their mind.