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Mr Puggsly on 26 June 2017
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well this is how resolution upgrades always start. Its here before people want it and eventually people want it.

People seem pretty happy Nintendo content is finally hitting 1080p.

We are at a point where 4K is feasible and it doesn't cost a fortune. Sony and MS tend to lead the way on specs also, having powerful consoles that play the visually impressive games is what they do.

As a Nintendo gamer I'm just pleased that Nintendo aren't pursuing it, since I don't see it as worthwhile.

Okay, well its evident people want the high end visuals that MS and Sony aim for with their hardware. Pro and X1X is them leaning into that.

Nintendo is doing its own thing, they make low end gaming hardware which still looks fine and they use great optimization to really push those specs. But I don't want MS and Sony making low end hardware like Nintendo. I want some companies pushing high end specs as well. I say that as a guy who buys basically all the consoles.



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curl-6 on 26 June 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

As a Nintendo gamer I'm just pleased that Nintendo aren't pursuing it, since I don't see it as worthwhile.

Okay, well its evident people want the high end visuals that MS and Sony aim for with their hardware. Pro and X1X is them leaning into that.

Nintendo is doing its own thing, they make low end gaming hardware which still looks fine and they use great optimization to really push those specs. But I don't want MS and Sony making low end hardware like Nintendo. I want some companies pushing high end specs as well. I say that as a guy who buys basically all the consoles.

Which is why I prefer it when Nintendo go their own way too; no point having three identical systems on the market, that's never worked out. 



Mr Puggsly on 26 June 2017
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Okay, well its evident people want the high end visuals that MS and Sony aim for with their hardware. Pro and X1X is them leaning into that.

Nintendo is doing its own thing, they make low end gaming hardware which still looks fine and they use great optimization to really push those specs. But I don't want MS and Sony making low end hardware like Nintendo. I want some companies pushing high end specs as well. I say that as a guy who buys basically all the consoles.

Which is why I prefer it when Nintendo go their own way too; no point having three identical systems on the market, that's never worked out. 

Yep, Wii U failed because it felt just like another basic console with a cumbersome gamepad that was rarely utilized.

If Wii U just stuck with the Wiimotes, it would have been cheaper, still unique, and would have done well. Wiimotes kinda saved Nintendo and they threw it away.



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Wolverine_the_5th on 26 June 2017

As someone who grew during the n64 era, I don't really care about graphics as much. I prefer a console that has enough games for me to justify the purchase. Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Pokémon Rpg, Fire Emblem, and Mario+Rabbids are enough for me and since my brother is paying half because he wants to play Zelda it isn't that bad. Add in the usual smash Bros, Mario kart, etc and I'm fine with it. Plus I git a ps4 for any multiplats or first party games I may want.

As for the 4k aspect. I think that's more of a luxury still. I don't know a single person with a 4k TV. Hell I remember when we got a flat screen TV a few years ago my mother cried because we had always had the big old tvs lol. I myself just got a 1080 TV myself a few years ago as well. Not jumping on the 4k bandwagon any time soon.



maxleresistant on 26 June 2017
Pemalite said:
maxleresistant said:

HD, High Defiinition is also a marketing gimmick.

Everything is, it's all products, and it's just names, at the time 1080p was the best we could do, it was the top quality, so they named it full.

And to be honest, 720p has always been a little wonky, whereas 1080p is where it really starts to be high quality.

It's certainly a marketing term. A gimmick it is not. It's actually usefull. And it doesn't mean it's a useless term either. A Full HD display represents a display that is superior to a HD display in terms of resolution.

Also. We could actually exceed 1080P back when 1080P wen't mainstream. Professional markets had 4k displays as far back as 2003 with some NEC panels, they actually had to run two 1080P inputs via DVI to the display, each rendering 1920x1080 in Portrait.

Also... We had 1080P CRT monitors back when console gamers were still stuck on 240P consoles during the Playstation 1/Nintendo 64 era.

And during the Playstation 2 era the PC was starting to dabble in Tessellation. A technique we wouldn't see in full force untill this console generation.

I was talking about the name, not the technology itself. The term High Definition, is totaly arbitrary, and the fact that they created the SD term too. 

 

As for you 4K in 2003, that's totally irrelevant, I'm talking about products aimed at the general consumer. We could also make giant screen like in timesquare, but nobody was trying to sell it to you to play Smash Bros on it at home. So like I said, they chose the term FullHD, because it was the best at the time.



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Liquid_faction on 26 June 2017

I'm surprised they even needed to put out a statement like that in the first place when Nintendo is barely pursuing 720-1080p gaming....



Kerotan on 26 June 2017
curl-6 said:
Kerotan said:

The ps4 pro isn't that much stronger then the ps4 yet it can give the resolution a big bump.  It's not as tasking as you think and will become pretty easy by the time ps5 hits.  It's the new standard and a needed one.  After 4k we might not need to go higher but we shouldn't settle at 1080p.

4K is four times as many pixels to fill as 1080p. Spending quadruple the power on making the picture a tiny bit sharper is hugely wasteful in my view. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a scam to try to get people to buy new TVs.

Except it doesn't need to work out like that.  Techniques like checkerboarding can save a lot of processing power.  

 

1080p was common on the ps3 and 360. Now pretty much the standard on ps4. Ps4 pro can either do native or upscaled 4k no problem. Why wouldn't ps5 aim to set native 4k as the new standard? It's the obvious step to make.  

 

After ps5 you can argue the ps6 should hold at 4k and push all its extra power into other areas but for now we must aim to get 4k as the standard. 



archer9234 on 26 June 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

4K is pointless. 1080p's good enough, anything over that is just a waste of money and processing power in my opinion.

If youre running a 4K TV, you want 4K content. That's not a debate. But bear in mind some PS4 Pro games go for better graphics over higher resolutions or let you choose.

In theory X1X has the power to push many PC to virtually highest settings with room to spare for resolutions higher than 1080p.

Hence, its not just a 4K box and we will see that in practice.

That's debatable. Because I know people that don't bother running their 1080 screens in 1080. And just leave everything in 720. So resoution changes don't happen.



wombat123 on 26 June 2017
Soundwave said:
4K is nice and all, but a nice 1080P image is still eye pleasing on either a tablet size screen or a TV that you're sitting 5-10 feet away from.

I'd rather Nintendo get a Switch that can display even regular XB1/PS4 tier visuals at 1080p in a few years. That'd be fine. The Nintendo games with that kind of horsepower behind would be breathtakingly gorgeous.

I agree.  I think the minimum objective for Nintendo next gen should be 720p/60fps undocked and 1080p/60fps docked, even if they have to put in a supplemental computing device in the dock to achieve those numbers.  And honestly, 4K is only great to me if you have a huge TV (like 60'' and above) or have to sit around 3-4 feet away from the screen.



Mr Puggsly on 26 June 2017
archer9234 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

If youre running a 4K TV, you want 4K content. That's not a debate. But bear in mind some PS4 Pro games go for better graphics over higher resolutions or let you choose.

In theory X1X has the power to push many PC to virtually highest settings with room to spare for resolutions higher than 1080p.

Hence, its not just a 4K box and we will see that in practice.

That's debatable. Because I know people that don't bother running their 1080 screens in 1080. And just leave everything in 720. So resoution changes don't happen.

Okay, that's definitely a minority. Especially if you bought a 4K TV.



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