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Snoopy said:
Captain_Yuri said:
If the xb2/ps5's cpu still uses jag cpus. Then both MS and Sony need to go back to the drawing board because that would be stupid

Xbox scorpio can still run the games however. Just at a lower resoultion/textures.

But resolution/textures have nothing to do with cpu power... If the ps5/xb2 uses ryzen based apus, then ipc wise, it will get around 40-50% uplift in performance per core... Assuming devs will make their games around the increase, the scorpio won't have enough horse power in the cpu department to run many of those games...



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
Snoopy said:

Xbox scorpio can still run the games however. Just at a lower resoultion/textures.

But that has nothing to do with cpu power... If the ps5/xb2 uses ryzen based apus, then ipc wise, it will get around 40-50% uplift in performance per core... Assuming devs will make their games around the increase, the scorpio won't have enough horse power in the cpu department to run many of those games...

Sure it can. Just dial back all the constraints that won't allow the game to run on Xbox Scorpio properly. No difference between mid/low end pc running games. A 2015 gaming PC can run the new games still, you just have to dial back.



Scorpio 2 won't be 9th gen it will be a better version of Scorpio and Scorpio 3 will be a better version of Scorpio 2 running the same games. So XB1 and Scorpio run the same games Scorpio 2 comes out then Scorpio and Scorpio 2 will run then same games Scorpio 3 and Scorpio 2 will run the same games etc and every game BC from 360 and xb1 will still be playable on scorpio 3 and so on.



Snoopy said:
Captain_Yuri said:

But that has nothing to do with cpu power... If the ps5/xb2 uses ryzen based apus, then ipc wise, it will get around 40-50% uplift in performance per core... Assuming devs will make their games around the increase, the scorpio won't have enough horse power in the cpu department to run many of those games...

Sure it can. Just dial back all the constraints that won't allow the game to run on Xbox Scorpio. No difference between mid/low end pc running games. A 2015 gaming PC can run the new games still, you just have to dial back.

But again, that is to a certain extent. On PCs, if you were to run a game that takes advantage of Ryzen based CPUs on an APU... You wouldn't be able to play it anywhere near playable framerates... Even on low settings...



                  

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jason1637 said:
Scorpio 2 won't be 9th gen.

Now we're talking about Scorpio 2? Oh my!



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cesarmgc said:
Ryzen is x10 times better than any CPU right now...

It's not. But okay. Unless you are only comparing Ryzen against the console CPU's?

Captain_Yuri said:
Snoopy said:

Xbox scorpio can still run the games however. Just at a lower resoultion/textures.

But resolution/textures have nothing to do with cpu power... If the ps5/xb2 uses ryzen based apus, then ipc wise, it will get around 40-50% uplift in performance per core... Assuming devs will make their games around the increase, the scorpio won't have enough horse power in the cpu department to run many of those games...

I would expect more. Jaguar is an evolutionary update to Bobcat found in Brazos.
It's only a dual issue CPU architecture. AMD's FX makes a mockery of Jaguar... And Ryzen makes a mockery of FX.

Plus Jaguar can't scale in clocks very well due to various architectural choices and using transistors optimised for power consumption rather than clockrate.

I would expect the next generation consoles to use Ryzens successor anyway, Zen+. And by hacking away at that massive L2 and L3 cache, it should be small and cheap enough for next gen as Ryzens CPU cores are actually pretty small. Not Jaguar/Puma/Puma+ small, but on a newer process it should be good enough.



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Pemalite said:
cesarmgc said:
Ryzen is x10 times better than any CPU right now...

It's not. But okay. Unless you are only comparing Ryzen against the console CPU's?

Captain_Yuri said:

But resolution/textures have nothing to do with cpu power... If the ps5/xb2 uses ryzen based apus, then ipc wise, it will get around 40-50% uplift in performance per core... Assuming devs will make their games around the increase, the scorpio won't have enough horse power in the cpu department to run many of those games...

I would expect more. Jaguar is an evolutionary update to Bobcat found in Brazos.
It's only a dual issue CPU architecture. AMD's FX makes a mockery of Jaguar... And Ryzen makes a mockery of FX.

Plus Jaguar can't scale in clocks very well due to various architectural choices and using transistors optimised for power consumption rather than clockrate.

I would expect the next generation consoles to use Ryzens successor anyway, Zen+. And by hacking away at that massive L2 and L3 cache, it should be small and cheap enough for next gen as Ryzens CPU cores are actually pretty small. Not Jaguar/Puma/Puma+ small, but on a newer process it should be good enough.

Yea it would probably be more than 50% in uplift since AMD's press was referring to more newer cpus but I doubt it will be too high cause it's pretty obvious that Sony/MS wants to focus on GPU to make it look pretty than CPU. It might have zen+ but performance wise, I think they will continue to be on the low end of the spectrum.



                  

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It will run next gen games obviously at a downgrade. That's if next gen happens in the next 2 years.
Scorpio is built future proof with there new TV Free Sync etc. So there are hints.



Captain_Yuri said:
Snoopy said:

Xbox scorpio can still run the games however. Just at a lower resoultion/textures.

But resolution/textures have nothing to do with cpu power... If the ps5/xb2 uses ryzen based apus, then ipc wise, it will get around 40-50% uplift in performance per core... Assuming devs will make their games around the increase, the scorpio won't have enough horse power in the cpu department to run many of those games...

It doesnt quite work like that. Sure next gen can play the games at a much higher level however old PCs can still run games today. I was running an i7 2700k and a 2gig GPU and played DOOM 2016 (which i couldnt believe i was running it, it was on low settings at 30 frames however it wasnt a broken game and i manage to play though the whole game). If Scorpio gets the support than dont be suprised that next gen games will release as waterdowned versions.

My take is if next gen happens in the next 2 years and that the foundation of Scorpio is very good. Digital Foundry were mind blowned when they saw it. There are very good signs so far for the system.

Also i dont believe Developers will just straight up jump on the new next gen numbers. Thanks to the growing PC community Devs will obveriouly want there games to run on PCs aswell and will require them to base there level of performance off the average PC user. The next Xbox 2 will most likely be a boosted Scorpio (Like a PC Upgrade) where all the games will share the same eco system. Not sure with PS5. My guess it will be your normal Generation jump where they will start fresh, however by doing that means you lose alot of the past benefits. 



Snoopy said:
onionberry said:

but that CPU tho...

PS5 CPU and Xbox 2 CPU won't be much better. Xbox scorpio CPU is by far the best CPU for consoles right now.

I don't think you realize how weak the Jaguar CPUs are. They were weak when the Xbox One and PS4 launched.