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LudicrousSpeed said:
Azzanation said:

Thats the stupidest thing i have read this morning.

Want Sony to monopolise the Home Console market? Haha okay. Enjoy paying $1000 for the PS5. *Caugh PS3 era*

Sorry you clearly dont know what benefits the console industry.

I don't know about a $1,000 PS5 but holy shit, why would any rational person actually want any of these companies to have no competition. We're only one gen removed from seeing what Sony thought they could get away with because they were dominant. Microsoft killed this gen for themselves with their own hubris. Even this gen look at Sony with their stances on backwards compatibility or EA Access. Oh hey, who would ever want to play old games? I mean, for free. Try PS Now or our overpriced classics on PSN instead! And hey there EA, you have a very good priced service there but it might clash with out own too much so no thanks, we're vetoing that. #4theplayers, of course. The list goes on and on. Console gaming is dead if any of these companies become the sole option.

Of course he is predicting Scorpio could be MS's last console though. Just as he has been saying for every new console/new SKU for years now. Throw enough shit at the wall, something will stick eventually.

 

smroadkill15 said:
thismeintiel said:

Someone who gets it.  Sony isn't just going to have free reign, just because MS exits.  In fact, MS being in the market as introduced some pretty nasty things to it, and that's not even including the crap they tried to introduce this gen.  No, Sony will still have PC and Nintendo to compete against.  They price their console too expensive, and people will just get a Nintendo system or a PC.  And like you said, devs are always trying to up the ante to be the top dog in terms of graphics and gameplay.  So, it's not like their first parties will just give up and put out crap.  It also helps that the guy in charge of their WW Studios is an avid gamer, so he's not going to want his guys pumping out crap he can't stand to play.

Personally, I think Sony has seen what works very well this gen and is going to stick to it.  Offer a powerful console for $399.  And keep up the great 1st party support (they've always done this, though.)

You know why Sony offered a powerful console at $399? BECAUSE OF MICROSOFT! Just because you and fellow Sony loyaltist don't want MS to stick around, the vast majority do. 

well they sold at a $200 loss even before MS had any significant market share



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smroadkill15 said:
thismeintiel said:

Someone who gets it.  Sony isn't just going to have free reign, just because MS exits.  In fact, MS being in the market as introduced some pretty nasty things to it, and that's not even including the crap they tried to introduce this gen.  No, Sony will still have PC and Nintendo to compete against.  They price their console too expensive, and people will just get a Nintendo system or a PC.  And like you said, devs are always trying to up the ante to be the top dog in terms of graphics and gameplay.  So, it's not like their first parties will just give up and put out crap.  It also helps that the guy in charge of their WW Studios is an avid gamer, so he's not going to want his guys pumping out crap he can't stand to play.

Personally, I think Sony has seen what works very well this gen and is going to stick to it.  Offer a powerful console for $399.  And keep up the great 1st party support (they've always done this, though.)

You know why Sony offered a powerful console at $399? BECAUSE OF MICROSOFT! Just because you and fellow Sony loyaltist don't want MS to stick around, the vast majority do. 

No.  Sony was already going with $399.  They didn't know what MS was doing until E3.  They were estatic that MS went $499 cause it meant they had the price advantage.  So, without MS, it would have still been $399.  And vast majority is definitely overstating it.  MS does not keep Sony in check.  The consumers do.  The drop from PS2 to PS3, mostly due to the high price, is what woke Sony up to having expensive custom HW isn't a good thing.



Snoopy said:
I fin . d it funny people want Xbox gone, but the fact is Xbox is here to stay. They are making a lot of money over the years from Xbox (about 16% of their total revenue). Microsoft has made some huge investments to push xbox. Minecraft, Simplygon, Havok, Gears of war IP and more to come. If Microsoft keeps investing and succeeding the way they are they will be here for the long run.

I thought they've lost more money than they have gained thus far. I may be wrong as I am not fully informed on the situation. But I did find this : http://learnbonds.com/122889/microsoft-corporation-msft-loses-money-on-xbox-one-sales/

 

Anyhow, I hope they don't leave the console market as I love Xbox. Though I haven't been showing my Xbox One much love lately, all that will change when Scorpio arrives. Looking forward to the console no matter what others may think. 



If MS console-izes (and subsidises) Windows gaming PCs then they can have a shared library (+Steam??) across home -> portable (laptop) -> handheld (tablet) like Nintendo.

They'll be in a better position for the future than Sony.



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Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

cannonballZ said:
Snoopy said:
I fin . d it funny people want Xbox gone, but the fact is Xbox is here to stay. They are making a lot of money over the years from Xbox (about 16% of their total revenue). Microsoft has made some huge investments to push xbox. Minecraft, Simplygon, Havok, Gears of war IP and more to come. If Microsoft keeps investing and succeeding the way they are they will be here for the long run.

I thought they've lost more money than they have gained thus far. I may be wrong as I am not fully informed on the situation. But I did find this : http://learnbonds.com/122889/microsoft-corporation-msft-loses-money-on-xbox-one-sales/

 

Anyhow, I hope they don't leave the console market as I love Xbox. Though I haven't been showing my Xbox One much love lately, all that will change when Scorpio arrives. Looking forward to the console no matter what others may think. 

Sony and Microsoft don't make money/not a lot of money of off console sales. They make their money on xbox live, third party game royalties, controllers and acessories, video games,ect.



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Pyro as Bill said:
If MS console-izes (and subsidises) Windows gaming PCs then they can have a shared library (+Steam??) across home -> portable (laptop) -> handheld (tablet) like Nintendo.

They'll be in a better position for the future than Sony.

They also won't have a console



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Pyro as Bill said:
If MS console-izes (and subsidises) Windows gaming PCs then they can have a shared library (+Steam??) across home -> portable (laptop) -> handheld (tablet) like Nintendo.

They'll be in a better position for the future than Sony.

They also won't have a console

If Sony can dual boot into Linux and still be considered a console why can't MS do the same with Windows?



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

thismeintiel said:
smroadkill15 said:

You know why Sony offered a powerful console at $399? BECAUSE OF MICROSOFT! Just because you and fellow Sony loyaltist don't want MS to stick around, the vast majority do. 

No.  Sony was already going with $399.  They didn't know what MS was doing until E3.  They were estatic that MS went $499 cause it meant they had the price advantage.  So, without MS, it would have still been $399.  And vast majority is definitely overstating it.  MS does not keep Sony in check.  The consumers do.  The drop from PS2 to PS3, mostly due to the high price, is what woke Sony up to having expensive custom HW isn't a good thing.

If the 360 didnt exist, many gamers would have no choice in buying a PS3 which would mean that the $800 price tag of the PS3 would have worked for Sony and that the PS4 would have continued the price hikes. Thanks to the 360 for putting Sony in there place last gen, we now have afforable next gen consoles. Dont assume Sony were going to lower the PS4 price based off no info. Sony was raising there prices on all the consoles every generation which means that the PS4 would have been the same until they started losing marketshare and customers. History proves this.

Did you know that the PS4 was rumoured to use 4gig of GDDR5 ram until leaks heard that the XB1 was going with 8gigs DDR3? If true than theres another benefit the Xbox did for Playstation.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/12/if-you-go-with-4gb-of-gddr5-ram-on-ps4-you-are-done-said-randy-pitchford/

Are you going to ignore all the things Sony took straight from the Xbox brand? Your going to act like we dont need Xbox?

Let me make a short list for you of the things that Sony took straight from MS/Xbox

PSN (Live) 

Trophies (Achievements) 

Home Button (Xbox 360 Controller)

Analog Triggers (Xbox 360 Controller)

Built in Harddrives (OXbox)

Built in Ethernet (OXbox)

Just naming afew things that help make Playstation better. Thats competition. Lets forget the things Sony took straight from Nintendo because that will require way took much time on my behalf.

You want competition or you will be taken advantage of.



Pyro as Bill said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

They also won't have a console

If Sony can dual boot into Linux and still be considered a console why can't MS do the same with Windows?

You know why. You can't not know why those 2 things aren't equatable without needing to wear a helmet in the shower.

Azzanation said:
thismeintiel said:

No.  Sony was already going with $399.  They didn't know what MS was doing until E3.  They were estatic that MS went $499 cause it meant they had the price advantage.  So, without MS, it would have still been $399.  And vast majority is definitely overstating it.  MS does not keep Sony in check.  The consumers do.  The drop from PS2 to PS3, mostly due to the high price, is what woke Sony up to having expensive custom HW isn't a good thing.

If the 360 didnt exist, many gamers would have no choice in buying a PS3 which would mean that the $800 price tag of the PS3 would have worked for Sony and that the PS4 would have continued the price hikes. Thanks to the 360 for putting Sony in there place last gen, we now have afforable next gen consoles. Dont assume Sony were going to lower the PS4 price based off no info. Sony was raising there prices on all the consoles every generation which means that the PS4 would have been the same until they started losing marketshare and customers. History proves this.

Did you know that the PS4 was rumoured to use 4gig of GDDR5 ram until leaks heard that the XB1 was going with 8gigs DDR3? If true than theres another benefit the Xbox did for Playstation.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/12/if-you-go-with-4gb-of-gddr5-ram-on-ps4-you-are-done-said-randy-pitchford/

Are you going to ignore all the things Sony took straight from the Xbox brand? Your going to act like we dont need Xbox?

Let me make a short list for you of the things that Sony took straight from MS/Xbox

PSN (Live) 

Trophies (Achievements) 

Home Button (Xbox 360 Controller)

Analog Triggers (Xbox 360 Controller)

Built in Harddrives (OXbox)

Built in Ethernet (OXbox)

Just naming afew things that help make Playstation better. Thats competition. Lets forget the things Sony took straight from Nintendo because that will require way took much time on my behalf.

You want competition or you will be taken advantage of.

A: In what, and how many regions was the PS3 $800?


B:Let us pray.



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