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ArchangelMadzz said:
Aeolus451 said:

 

 

 

 

Oh really?

1. Immigration doesn't have anything do with it.

2. Right wing extremists is a bigger problem in the us than Islamic terrorism.

3. Watch lists of muslim extremists are meaningless.

4. Mosques report terrorist elements.

Sigh. All but 1 were objective factual statements. 

1. I said the last 2 attackers here in the UK were born in the UK. They weren't immigrants. Factual statement.

2. There have been more Right wing terrorist attacks in the US in the past 10 years than there have been Islamic terrorist attacks. Factual statement. 

3. A watch list is meaningless because it obviously doesn't prevent terrorist attacks. The last 2 attackers here were on watchlists and it didn't do anything. Some facts behind it but watchlists being meaningless is my opinion as it doesn't prevent anything. 

4. I said the mosque of the manchester attacker reported him to the authorities for extremism. That is a factual statement.

You've made 0 points here. *facepalm gif*

1. No. That last bit you said immigration wasn't a problem. It is. Unvetted immigration without encouraging them to intragrate into the society they're migrating to is what is leading 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants becoming extremists. 

2. There has but it's alot less than terrorist attacks attempted but failed by radicalized muslims in the US. Anyway, you were trying say that islamic terrorism isn't a problem in the us compared to right wing terrorists. That's something only an apologist would say.

3. Again something only an apologist would say. Watch lists is a part of intelligence gathering which could lead up to preventing terrorist acts because you were watching them. Terrorist acts that are prevented never reach the news but do happen alot.

the chairman of the House homeland security committee heralded US successes against “over 60” would-be terrorist attacks by “Isis followers” in the last year.        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/19/chattanooga-isis-terror-plots-homeland-security 

4. You were talking about that mosque and others. "Their mosque's and others in their community reported them to the authorities under suspicions of extremism, that's why they were on a watch list." 



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Aeolus451 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Sigh. All but 1 were objective factual statements. 

1. I said the last 2 attackers here in the UK were born in the UK. They weren't immigrants. Factual statement.

2. There have been more Right wing terrorist attacks in the US in the past 10 years than there have been Islamic terrorist attacks. Factual statement. 

3. A watch list is meaningless because it obviously doesn't prevent terrorist attacks. The last 2 attackers here were on watchlists and it didn't do anything. Some facts behind it but watchlists being meaningless is my opinion as it doesn't prevent anything. 

4. I said the mosque of the manchester attacker reported him to the authorities for extremism. That is a factual statement.

You've made 0 points here. *facepalm gif*

1. No. That last bit you said immigration wasn't a problem. It is. Unvetted immigration without encouraging them to intragrate into the society they're migrating to is what is leading 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants becoming extremists. 

2. There has but it's alot less than terrorist attacks attempted but failed by radicalized muslims in the US. Anyway, you were trying say that islamic terrorism isn't a problem in the us compared to right wing terrorists. That's something only an apologist would say.

3. Again something only an apologist would say. Watch lists is a part of intelligence gathering which could lead up to preventing terrorist acts because you were watching them. Terrorist acts that are prevented never reach the news but do happen alot.

the chairman of the House homeland security committee heralded US successes against “over 60” would-be terrorist attacks by “Isis followers” in the last year.        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/19/chattanooga-isis-terror-plots-homeland-security 

4. You were talking about that mosque and others. "Their mosque's and others in their community reported them to the authorities under suspicions of extremism, that's why they were on a watch list." 

1. Their parent's aren't extremists. Vetting wouldn't have done anything to prevent them. Them becoming radicalised through online methods isn't an immigration problem, it's a, being an easily influenced idiot problem. 

2. I said Right wing terrorism is a bigger issue than Islamic terrorism in the US. Since when did I say neither was a problem. You're one of those people that when someone says they prefer pizza to burgers, think they automatically hate burgers. I can say Right wing terrorism is a bigger problem without saying Islamic terrorism isn't a problem.  Climate change and Poverty can be pressing issues at the same time.

3. That's true, we don't hear about foiled terrorist attacks that have been prevented from a watchlist. You're right about that. 

4. Yes THEIR mosuqes. IE. THE TERRORIST ATTACKERS MOSQUES. Not all mosques, jesus christ I don't need to spell out everything I'm not saying. Take my words for what they are. 

So what have we learned today?

Saying A is a bigger problem than B in county X doesn't mean that X shouldn't be concerned about B. 
Saying people that go to building AB did something good is not equal to saying Building CDEFGH are all good. 

Main point, stop adding extra clauses to my statements.



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Hiku said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

Yes there may be a few retards that commit mass-murders in the name of Christianity but that doesn’t changes the fact that Christianity has reformed and it doesn’t promote killing.

 

By Christianity I assume you mean the teaching of it, since the Bible has parts that promote killing, such as when Jesus said to kill those who would not follow him.

Luke 19:27:
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
 


When talking about Christianity and Islam, there are those who chose to promote this violence, and those who do not.
I'd like to think that those who don't are the modern versions of those religions.
But as for extremists with an agenda, using religion is a powerful tool. I wish we lived in a wiorld where no one believed in religion. Even though we'd still have extremist violence, I think it would be significantly harder to recruit and motivate people without religion.

again, that quote means nothing. as every modern cristian would condem that and every other similar teaching withing the bible. Thats what people mean by reform. They dont erase the bad parts, they just dont follow it blindly. Something you cant say with islam. If its withing their text they will think is the law, or they will face the law. Its not just about promoting, they have to ceondem and actually say, no this is wrong like cristianity did, muslims will still not do so.

Inn a way its kind of worse. CUz it leaves it more to interpretetation and when these young rebels are on the edege looking for any esxcuse and come acros heese horrible things and nobody is saying is wrong and so many sayiing islam is 100% word of god, they will belive this and go over the edge.



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Locknuts said:
Eagle367 said:

Ignorance is the problem. People who are ignorant are easily brainwashed by scum like Daesh I mean the leaders of Daesh will never take part on a suicide attack they want power and their own regime to be set up in the middle easy so they will use ignorant people around the world to carry out attacks. Ignorance of the true meaning of Islam and ignorance of who and what to see on the internet and who and what to believe will lead to these attacks. Daesh is like a drug to these people people who always had something wrong with them and then this terrorist organization makes them feel special and give them a 'purpose' a clearly deranged and disgustingly scummy purpose but a purpose nonetheless. If these people were properly trained in understanding their religion these attacks would never happen

So what does Daesh do that the perfect example prophet Mohammed didn't do or wouldn't approve of?

Let's see:

Suicide

Oppression

Mistreatment of minorities

Mistreatment of women and children

Making children fight wars

Terrorism

Uncalled for violence

These are just the top of my head



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Hiku said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

Yes there may be a few retards that commit mass-murders in the name of Christianity but that doesn’t changes the fact that Christianity has reformed and it doesn’t promote killing.

 

By Christianity I assume you mean the teaching of it, since the Bible has parts that promote killing, such as when Jesus said to kill those who would not follow him.

Luke 19:27:
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
 


When talking about Christianity and Islam, there are those who chose to promote this violence, and those who do not.
I'd like to think that those who don't are the modern versions of those religions.
But as for extremists with an agenda, using religion is a powerful tool. I wish we lived in a world where no one believed in religion. Even though we'd still have extremist violence, I think it would be significantly harder to recruit and motivate people without religion.

I'm not exactly the religous type but that's pure fallacy, only their motivation would just change. Instead radical extreme people would be commiting horrible attrocities with the unfortunately sounder excuse that only the strongest and fittest should be allowed to live in society. You wouldn't be able to point your finger and blame religous passages in books now would you? Would you then point the blame partly on Darwin's Theory?



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ArchangelMadzz said:
Aeolus451 said:

1. No. That last bit you said immigration wasn't a problem. It is. Unvetted immigration without encouraging them to intragrate into the society they're migrating to is what is leading 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants becoming extremists. 

2. There has but it's alot less than terrorist attacks attempted but failed by radicalized muslims in the US. Anyway, you were trying say that islamic terrorism isn't a problem in the us compared to right wing terrorists. That's something only an apologist would say.

3. Again something only an apologist would say. Watch lists is a part of intelligence gathering which could lead up to preventing terrorist acts because you were watching them. Terrorist acts that are prevented never reach the news but do happen alot.

the chairman of the House homeland security committee heralded US successes against “over 60” would-be terrorist attacks by “Isis followers” in the last year.        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/19/chattanooga-isis-terror-plots-homeland-security 

4. You were talking about that mosque and others. "Their mosque's and others in their community reported them to the authorities under suspicions of extremism, that's why they were on a watch list." 

1. Their parent's aren't extremists. Vetting wouldn't have done anything to prevent them. Them becoming radicalised through online methods isn't an immigration problem, it's a, being an easily influenced idiot problem. 

2. I said Right wing terrorism is a bigger issue than Islamic terrorism in the US. Since when did I say neither was a problem. You're one of those people that when someone says they prefer pizza to burgers, think they automatically hate burgers. I can say Right wing terrorism is a bigger problem without saying Islamic terrorism isn't a problem.  Climate change and Poverty can be pressing issues at the same time.

3. That's true, we don't hear about foiled terrorist attacks that have been prevented from a watchlist. You're right about that. 

4. Yes THEIR mosuqes. IE. THE TERRORIST ATTACKERS MOSQUES. Not all mosques, jesus christ I don't need to spell out everything I'm not saying. Take my words for what they are. 

So what have we learned today?

Saying A is a bigger problem than B in county X doesn't mean that X shouldn't be concerned about B. 
Saying people that go to building AB did something good is not equal to saying Building CDEFGH are all good. 

Main point, stop adding extra clauses to my statements.

not in Europe.

SÄPO even here in Sweden said that the biggest threat to civilians here is an islamic terrorist attack by 300 ISIS sympathisers living in Sweden and many more who supports them. Right/left wing extremist comes far below.



quezkatolen said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

1. Their parent's aren't extremists. Vetting wouldn't have done anything to prevent them. Them becoming radicalised through online methods isn't an immigration problem, it's a, being an easily influenced idiot problem. 

2. I said Right wing terrorism is a bigger issue than Islamic terrorism in the US. Since when did I say neither was a problem. You're one of those people that when someone says they prefer pizza to burgers, think they automatically hate burgers. I can say Right wing terrorism is a bigger problem without saying Islamic terrorism isn't a problem.  Climate change and Poverty can be pressing issues at the same time.

3. That's true, we don't hear about foiled terrorist attacks that have been prevented from a watchlist. You're right about that. 

4. Yes THEIR mosuqes. IE. THE TERRORIST ATTACKERS MOSQUES. Not all mosques, jesus christ I don't need to spell out everything I'm not saying. Take my words for what they are. 

So what have we learned today?

Saying A is a bigger problem than B in county X doesn't mean that X shouldn't be concerned about B. 
Saying people that go to building AB did something good is not equal to saying Building CDEFGH are all good. 

Main point, stop adding extra clauses to my statements.

not in Europe.

SÄPO even here in Sweden said that the biggest threat to civilians here is an islamic terrorist attack by 300 ISIS sympathisers living in Sweden and many more who supports them. Right/left wing extremist comes far below.

I said in the US.

I'm sure the biggest threat to civilians in Sweden is heart disease as it's the number 1 cause of death but hey. 

(I'm only messing I know what you mean) 



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ArchangelMadzz said:
quezkatolen said:

not in Europe.

SÄPO even here in Sweden said that the biggest threat to civilians here is an islamic terrorist attack by 300 ISIS sympathisers living in Sweden and many more who supports them. Right/left wing extremist comes far below.

I said in the US.

I'm sure the biggest threat to civilians in Sweden is heart disease as it's the number 1 cause of death but hey. 

(I'm only messing I know what you mean) 

So you're acting like an apologist because you keep trying to counter everything people are saying about Islam. I only tried to point that out but no, you won't see how what you're saying over and over again could be seen that way. You're either one or you're not but you're definitely acting like one. 



Eagle367 said:
Locknuts said:

So what does Daesh do that the perfect example prophet Mohammed didn't do or wouldn't approve of?

Let's see:

Suicide

Oppression

Mistreatment of minorities

Mistreatment of women and children

Making children fight wars

Terrorism

Uncalled for violence

These are just the top of my head

I don't know about suicide and children fighting wars, but the rest are wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9bEkGd1AVo



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Aeolus451 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I said in the US.

I'm sure the biggest threat to civilians in Sweden is heart disease as it's the number 1 cause of death but hey. 

(I'm only messing I know what you mean) 

So you're acting like an apologist because you keep trying to counter everything people are saying about Islam. I only tried to point that out but no, you won't see how what you're saying over and over again could be seen that way. You're either one or you're not but you're definitely acting like one. 

So you've abandoned all of your previous points?

Also it wasn't even a counter, I literally said I was joking. 

If I see something I disagree with I'm going to say. If I see someone saying Islam is a religion of peace as a core value and 'no true muslim' would commit these acts I'd point of the fallacy and tell them they're factually wrong. There are places in islam that you can point to show that there are ideal in there that match with terrorist ideals. But no ones said that (that I've seen)

Such an apologist aren't I?



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