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KLAMarine said:
pokoko said:

Computer gaming was rising in Europe and held sway there for quite awhile. A lot of innovations we credit to console games actually appeared on PC games first. Sega actually did pretty well in Europe compared to Nintendo. In Japan, the arcade scene was gaining in popularity, which is the real root from which the current lineage of consoles derived. A lot of arcade developers were growing and looking into creating a home gaming system. Sega released a home console on the same day as the NES--and lost because the NES was far more advanced. Yes, Nintendo's first success in the market was at least partially because they had the most powerful console. If it hadn't been Nintendo then it would have been someone else (probably Sega, a company that was hurt very badly by Nintendo's illegal tactics in the US). Would they have been as successful? Maybe, maybe not. It would have happened, though, even if it had a different form.

Illegal tactics?

I suppose Nintendo would challenge the use of the word "illegal" because they settled without an admission of guilt, which was how a lot of antitrust cases ended.  They were charged in most US states with anti-trust violations and allegations of price-fixing and retailer intimidation.  They agreed to give out millions in rebates and stop much of what they were doing out of "good will".  Basically, they got out of it with a slap on the wrist because they agreed to stop.

They were taken to court over their exclusive contracts but, as far as I know, a decision wasn't reached.  I don't know what happened with that, as information from that time is hard to find online.  They did some pretty cut-throat to stuff to kill competition and it was super effective.



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pokoko said:
KLAMarine said:

Illegal tactics?

I suppose Nintendo would challenge the use of the word "illegal" because they settled without an admission of guilt, which was how a lot of antitrust cases ended.  They were charged in most US states with anti-trust violations and allegations of price-fixing and retailer intimidation.  They agreed to give out millions in rebates and stop much of what they were doing out of "good will".  Basically, they got out of it with a slap on the wrist because they agreed to stop.

They were taken to court over their exclusive contracts but, as far as I know, a decision wasn't reached.  I don't know what happened with that, as information from that time is hard to find online.  They did some pretty cut-throat to stuff to kill competition and it was super effective.

Is this what you're referring to?: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/11/business/nintendo-to-pay-25-million-in-rebates-on-price-fixing.html



twintail said:
KLXVER said:

Ok, so its not like the Treehouse thing then. Fair enough.

Well it is like Treehouse, just not quite the same. Treehouse seems to focus a lot on showing off gameplay of a game. PS Livecast does the same but not as extensively, but they do the same thing also for games that just have trailer footage and no demos for E3. In the past, its just been a way to talk to the devs and get some insight into the project, aka interviews.

But Sony also assumes that journalists will show off gameplay, and ppl going to the show will do the same thing which is why its never really been a massive part of their E3 experience.

But I coud be wrong, I dont really follow the PS livecast nor the Treehouse from Nintendo. But Sony have been doing it for a good few years. Im confident at least they started in 2013, which would be before the Treehouse livestream started.

Fair enough.



KLAMarine said:
pokoko said:

I suppose Nintendo would challenge the use of the word "illegal" because they settled without an admission of guilt, which was how a lot of antitrust cases ended.  They were charged in most US states with anti-trust violations and allegations of price-fixing and retailer intimidation.  They agreed to give out millions in rebates and stop much of what they were doing out of "good will".  Basically, they got out of it with a slap on the wrist because they agreed to stop.

They were taken to court over their exclusive contracts but, as far as I know, a decision wasn't reached.  I don't know what happened with that, as information from that time is hard to find online.  They did some pretty cut-throat to stuff to kill competition and it was super effective.

Is this what you're referring to?: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/11/business/nintendo-to-pay-25-million-in-rebates-on-price-fixing.html

This one has some additional information:  http://articles.latimes.com/1991-04-11/business/fi-359_1_nintendo-game



Sony copies Nintendo again lol! Not a bad thing tho. I am down to watch.



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SegataSanshiro said:
Sony copies Nintendo again lol! Not a bad thing tho. I am down to watch.

Talk about being late to the party.



SegataSanshiro said:
Sony copies Nintendo again lol! Not a bad thing tho. I am down to watch.

It's already been established that it's the other way round.



pokoko said:
KLAMarine said:

Is this what you're referring to?: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/11/business/nintendo-to-pay-25-million-in-rebates-on-price-fixing.html

This one has some additional information:  http://articles.latimes.com/1991-04-11/business/fi-359_1_nintendo-game

Interesting read but I'm wondering how this hurt Sega...



thismeintiel said:
SegataSanshiro said:
Sony copies Nintendo again lol! Not a bad thing tho. I am down to watch.

Talk about being late to the party.

If a company makes something that works its wise to do something similar to reach a desired effect.



SegataSanshiro said:
Sony copies Nintendo again lol! Not a bad thing tho. I am down to watch.

Jesus Christ that post about Nintendo fans is so true.



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