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deskpro2k3 on 17 May 2017

Kirin_gaming said:

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What has the Alt-right ever done other than posting green frogs throughout the internet and wanting to have an Ethnostate(which they will never get.)Confederates, what is so wrong about them supporting state rights? KKK again what have they done recently when was the last time they lynched someone?Seriously I am not trying to prove a point, but BLM and Antifa have repeatedly vandalised places, while those three other groups only have ideas that aren't considered "correct"

Here is just two of many things that they have done, you can google the rest; They also count as terrorism.

White supremacist traveled to New York for the express purpose of killing black men. MARCH 23, 2017

Charleston church shooting Nine people were shot and killed during a Bible study

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"what SJW are doing in Universities, the how many genders they've created"

"I can't find any correlation about Caitlyn Jenner with my comment."

I assumed you mean SJW are creating many genders.

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"Like I said before until scientists know with certainty what is happening with our global climate, I will continue to believe that there exists the possibility they are pushing clean energy and putting restrictions on fossil fuels for political reasons."

They do know with certainty! What would it take for you to be convinced? drowning? And what is wrong with clean energy? You don't like to breath fresh air?

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  • Contradicting himself.

"I fail to see how that is negatively affecting the country."

So credibility means nothing to you? Think globally.

Contradictions by Trump create credibility gap for aides

The Many Contradictions of White House Spin on Russia

Donald Trump’s Greatest Self-Contradictions <- This is a good one

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  • Trump's cabinet is tasked with jobs they have no experience in.

"How so? and even if they weren't experienced they are all extremely smart people, I'm sure they've adapted by now."

Your response is wishful thinking.. Two examples: Lets give the guy who wants to dismantle the Department of Energy the job of Secretary of Energy. How about the woman with no degree or experience in the Education system. Yeah lets make her secretary of education. There is certainly no one else out there that is more qualified. Lets hope for the best yeah.

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"I personally don't care that much what most world leaders think.Even if they don't like Trump, they still have to work with him, so it really is a non-issue"

They don't have to work with him. What would happen though?

  • Shock to economy
  • no cooperative military operations
  • Loss of intellectual capital
  • Loss to the defense forces (many in the armed forces are immigrants)
 

 

my response in bold.

I got your point of view, I tried to wrap my head around it and I decided to just forget about it. It's not going to get us anywhere..



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VGPolyglot on 17 May 2017

Ooh, it's a long one! I'll have to just tag this and watch it later.



monocle_layton on 18 May 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
Hillary investigation finds nothing. 'What? corrupt, they paid it off she's crooked killary'

Trump investigation so far hasn't found enough. 'Keep looking, we know it's there!'


Both political sides can be pretty ridiculous, I'd like to get a conclusive answer on Trump/Russia ties though.

The issue is that you can't be skeptical about either and ask questions without being bombarded by insults/biased responses from people. I'll honesty just stick with Wikileaks- no bias in it. Everything is shown to help us see what's going on



Final-Fan on 18 May 2017
monocle_layton said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
Hillary investigation finds nothing. 'What? corrupt, they paid it off she's crooked killary'

Trump investigation so far hasn't found enough. 'Keep looking, we know it's there!'


Both political sides can be pretty ridiculous, I'd like to get a conclusive answer on Trump/Russia ties though.

The issue is that you can't be skeptical about either and ask questions without being bombarded by insults/biased responses from people. I'll honesty just stick with Wikileaks- no bias in it. Everything is shown to help us see what's going on

The leaks themselves are not biased, being mere data.  I will even go so far as to stipulate that the Wikileaks organization does not have bias in releasing some data and not other data.  But that doesn't mean there isn't bias in what data is leaked to them:  the bias of the leakers and the bias of what happens to be leakable. 

Just as long as you stay aware of this you should be fine. 



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Kirin_gaming on 18 May 2017
deskpro2k3 said:

 

my response in bold.

I got your point of view, I tried to wrap my head around it and I decided to just forget about it. It's not going to get us anywhere..

haha, yeah I get where you're coming from, internet points are just not worth it.Like I said before though I don't consider myself a conservative, but most of the time I find myself agreeing with them over liberals, the only aspect of which I am completely certain that I am a conservative are fiscal issues.

BTW I do get your point of view, but I think one of my greatest defects(as well as one of my greatest strengths) is that I overthink stuff, especially most issues related to politics, since I believe the truth lies beyond what we are told.I might be right, or I might be wrong, and if we go by the Occam's razor principle it is very likely that I am, I stand by my views nonetheless.

 

Ultimately all I want is for people to be free so that they can decide their own paths and for them to be as happy as possible.



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JokerJester on 18 May 2017

Only american presidents makes the world fall into pieces, just wait for the Change, Countries, one-by-one are realizing who their allies are, and America is not one of it.



Goatseye on 18 May 2017
monocle_layton said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
Hillary investigation finds nothing. 'What? corrupt, they paid it off she's crooked killary'

Trump investigation so far hasn't found enough. 'Keep looking, we know it's there!'


Both political sides can be pretty ridiculous, I'd like to get a conclusive answer on Trump/Russia ties though.

The issue is that you can't be skeptical about either and ask questions without being bombarded by insults/biased responses from people. I'll honesty just stick with Wikileaks- no bias in it. Everything is shown to help us see what's going on

Ok...



monocle_layton on 20 May 2017
Final-Fan said:
monocle_layton said:

The issue is that you can't be skeptical about either and ask questions without being bombarded by insults/biased responses from people. I'll honesty just stick with Wikileaks- no bias in it. Everything is shown to help us see what's going on

The leaks themselves are not biased, being mere data.  I will even go so far as to stipulate that the Wikileaks organization does not have bias in releasing some data and not other data.  But that doesn't mean there isn't bias in what data is leaked to them:  the bias of the leakers and the bias of what happens to be leakable. 

Just as long as you stay aware of this you should be fine. 

I get that the leakers themselves can be biased. However, if I am simply presented with some leaks from Wiki/liveleaks, ignoring anyone's opinions will prevent any bias from seeping into the sources. The only bias which can impact it is mine.



Final-Fan on 21 May 2017
monocle_layton said:
Final-Fan said:

The leaks themselves are not biased, being mere data.  I will even go so far as to stipulate that the Wikileaks organization does not have bias in releasing some data and not other data.  But that doesn't mean there isn't bias in what data is leaked to them:  the bias of the leakers and the bias of what happens to be leakable. 

Just as long as you stay aware of this you should be fine. 

I get that the leakers themselves can be biased. However, if I am simply presented with some leaks from Wiki/liveleaks, ignoring anyone's opinions will prevent any bias from seeping into the sources. The only bias which can impact it is mine.

Right:  but the data you look at might paint a one-sided picture not because the situation is one-sided but because one side is leaking more stuff to Wikileaks. 



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monocle_layton on 21 May 2017
Final-Fan said:
monocle_layton said:

I get that the leakers themselves can be biased. However, if I am simply presented with some leaks from Wiki/liveleaks, ignoring anyone's opinions will prevent any bias from seeping into the sources. The only bias which can impact it is mine.

Right:  but the data you look at might paint a one-sided picture not because the situation is one-sided but because one side is leaking more stuff to Wikileaks. 

I get what you mean. It's pretty obvious that behind everything, there's a bias to it. I'll keep track of the world's event with an open mind. Whether if it's something wrong with a specific country, group of people, or anything else, I'll keel in mind that they each have their own issues