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Hiku said:
o_O.Q said:

Ok, do you ask a woman to kiss everytime you do so?

If you know a woman generally likes kissing you, doing it for the 100th time without asking is very different from acting that way on a stranger who has never shown signals of wanting you to do so.

 

do you always ask a woman to kiss the first time you do so?



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

Ok, do you ask a woman to kiss everytime you do so?

I'd at least look at them to see if they gesture consent.

 

that isn't what i asked you, i asked if you ask to kiss everytime you do so to establish consent

consent is described as an enthusiatic verbal response independent of body language since body language can be misinterpretted



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Hiku said:
o_O.Q said:

do you always ask a woman to kiss the first time you do so?

I look for signals. Not "I don't even wait".

 

But you do understand that "looking for signals" is not what consent is defined as right?

"Signals" and body language can be misinterpretted often that is why consent is defined as an enthusiastic verbal response

Suppose the woman in question is just being friendly because she feels she's expected to and you misinterpret that and she considers you kissing her to be offensive?



Hiku said:
o_O.Q said:

 

But you do understand that "looking for signals" is not what consent is defined as right?

"Signals" and body language can be misinterpretted often that is why consent is defined as an enthusiastic verbal response

Suppose the woman in question is just being friendly because she feels she's expected to and you misinterpret that and she considers you kissing her to be offensive?

Yes it is. You won't find it restricted to "verbal" by any reputable source. Oxford, Webster, etc.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consent
http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/consent_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent

There can be grounds for misinterpritation of signals. But when someone admits that they "don't even wait" for them, that is not one of those times.

i wasn't speaking of dictionary definitions

i'm talking about what consent is currently being reclassified into by people considered to be authority figures on this matter

 

" But when someone admits that they "don't even wait" for them"

they don't wait for what specifically? a verbal yes? if so you've said you don't wait for a verbal yes either



Hiku said:
o_O.Q said:

i wasn't speaking of dictionary definitions

i'm talking about what consent is currently being reclassified into by people considered to be authority figures on this matter

We are talking about laws regarding sexual misconduct here, and whatever ambigous claim you're trying to make, no court would ever rule that a couple who had sex for years were having it without each other's consent just because they didn't verbally annunciate it.

" But when someone admits that they "don't even wait" for them"

they don't wait for what specifically? a verbal yes? if so you've said you don't wait for a verbal yes either

If they don't wait for anything that a court of law would consider a sign of consent that can even plausibly have been misinterprited.
For examples of this, look no further than the lawsuits filed against Trump, O'Riley and Ailes.

 

its interesting that we were talking about a first kiss and you had to reclassify that to being a couple who have been together for years because i suppose you are starting to realise that things aren't always so black and white

 

furthermore a couple could be together for several years in an abusive relationship where the woman's boundaries are crossed repeatedly or boundaries could be crossed one day after years of a happy relationship

the age of the relationship has nothing to do with whether consent is present in an interaction or not

 

"If they don't wait for anything that a court of law would consider a sign of consent"

 

that is why i was asking you waiting for what specifically... i suppose you agree that its possible to wait for a non-verbal sign and not a verbal one correct?



SpokenTruth said:
I guess I'll never understand how people can excuse, turn a blind eye, support, etc....somebody that engages in the harassment and assault of others. It's as though if it's not happening to them directly, they don't give a damn. How sad.

Story of the general election.



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