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Teeqoz said:
sc94597 said:

End drug prohibition, destroying the drug cartels which fuel gang warfare then Chicago and the rest of the U.S will find the homicide rate likely halved. There is no need to ban guns. That is as effective as banning drugs. Vermont and New Hampshire have the most liberal (as in free) gun laws in the country, but the lowest homicide rates and violent crime overall. I wonder why. 

Regulating gun ownership isn't the same as banning guns, and correlation is not the same as causation. I could say "Norway has very strict laws when it comes to owning guns, yet our murder and crime rates are way lower than in the US." and that would in the same way not prove that strict gun laws means less crime.

Most of the proposed regulations that are intended to do anything signficant are defacto bans on certain types of weapons. So yes, they are gun bans in all but the literal sense. 

And the bolded was my point, certain places in the United States have obtained low crime rates without gun control, there is nothing preventing other areas from achieving the same by targetting causes of the crime rather than means by which the crime manifests. 




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sc94597 said:
Teeqoz said:

Regulating gun ownership isn't the same as banning guns, and correlation is not the same as causation. I could say "Norway has very strict laws when it comes to owning guns, yet our murder and crime rates are way lower than in the US." and that would in the same way not prove that strict gun laws means less crime.

Most of the proposed regulations that are intended to do anything signficant are defacto bans on certain types of weapons. So yes, they are gun bans in all but the literal sense. 

And the bolded was my point, certain places in the United States have obtained low crime rates without gun control, there is nothing preventing other areas from achieving the same by targetting causes of the crime rather than means by which the crime manifests. 


I don't live in the US, so I haven't delved too deep into the issue, I am just aware of this case here:

HJRes 40: Providing for Congressional Disapproval under Chapter 8 of Title 5, United States Code, of The Rule Submitted by The Social Security Administration Relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007
What It Will Do: This is the 115th Congress's third application of the Congressional Review Act, axing an Obama-era rule. That rule, phrased as a realization of the provisions of a 2007 law, essentially prohibited people who 1. receive disability payments from the Social Security Administration and 2. have been judged to need someone to handle their financial affairs because they are mentally ill or disabled from owning guns, although it also created an avenue to appeal that prohibition on a case-by-case basis.

Which, well, I can't say I agree with the decision of the Tump administration to revoke this...

However in general, I don't have anything against gun ownership, but I don't think there's anything wrong with somewhat limiting that types of guns you can get. But I also don't think gun regulations are the core of solving America's issue with violent crime.



No brakes in Chicago on Easter

28 people shot in less than 18 hours in Chicago

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170415-story.html



Chicago is a pretty dangerous place to live it seems. On the top side usually drug gangs and maffia kill eachother in most cases, so not being active in those circuits is pretty good for your life expectations.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

The USA is a fair, democratic country, the envy of the world. There are no major drug issues, no violent crime rates in the USA and the average American is highly educated. To say negative things about the USA and to reveal the truth is unpatriotic. American society issues are not discussed and the problems are swept under the carpet. The heroes that die in wars are honoured with medals and their names are read and memorial services.



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In the Battle of the Bulge 20.000 US/UK soldiers died. Within one month.

Close to 60.000 US GIs were killed during the fighting years of the Vietnam War.

I can't approve this kind of death toll comparison. Not to downplay the problems the Windy City has. But it makes it look like those are normal level casualties to expect in a major/absolute war, and even more awry, only the dead of one nation/faction is shown. Whereas at a crime scene every body counts.





Hunting Season is done...

Halftime in 2017 and there is no slowdown in criminal violence. One would assume that the gangs would die by attrition soon, but not today. More than 1800 people got shot in the first six months, that is ~10 per day.

In 2017 so far:
Shot & Killed: 318
Shot & Wounded: 1496
Total Shot: 1814
Total Homicides: 342

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-first-six-months-met-20170630-story.html

Last 30 days rolling:



Violence leaves about 60 shot, 8 of them dead, for July 4th weekend

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-july-fourth-weekend-violence-roundup-met-20170704-story.html



To me this is not simply a gun control issue.

I been to Chicago, the place is segregated and full of extreme levels of passive racism and classism.



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