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Is "Fake News" a legitimate concept?

Yes 43 61.43%
 
No 22 31.43%
 
Not sure 5 7.14%
 
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badgenome said:

Sure. These days everything is about generating massive amounts of content. Most big websites seem to run a new top story every 4-6 hours in addition to numerous smaller ones, so that necessarily means quality and depth take a huge hit even before you factor in any other agendas about manipulating the audience's perception.

Exactly! Simple, right? Which is why I feel this isn't just about politics, and therefore not just about Trump. The news organizations hate the term, yet how could they deny the simple logic of what you just said.



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robzo100 said:

People are taking the term "Fake" News literally and thereby finding themselves either confused or overly-confident that they are justified in saying it is a stupid term. Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuUWBW9Y4zA

It's a story about how Trump spends more on vacation than Obama, probably a combination of the fact that people who grow up wealthy are less frugal and also the fact that Trump's extended family in the White House (many grown adults, unlike Obama's Daughters) is much much larger than other administrations. Cut to the chase, even if it's wrong, it's not the kind of content that determines whether a president does or does not do a good job.

That's my definition of fake news right there. Obviously it's not a fake story, for god's sake no one is that dumb. That's why I say "fast" news akin to fast-food is a more accurate term. Yes, it's food, and yes it has protein and other nutrients to satisfy what the body needs...but for how long? It's a bite-sized piece of news. It's not a thorough investigation into a deep matter. It's not like a 1-hour documentary into a deep topic like you'll find in a documentary or a documentary-style show like Anothy Bourdain's Part's Unknown or Mike Rowe's Somebody's Gotta Do It. It's not a movie on climate change or JFK, etc.

Does this help one understand "Fake News" better?

From that perspective then, one should see how this carries over to all subject matter, videogames, entertainment, music, food, politics, sports, etc. Substantive news that focuses on deep issues, and quick news that is shallow. Fast-anything has become rampant in a society where not only do we have a 24-hour news cycle but also 24-media channels/outlets. If there is, at max, maybe 1 hour worth of substantive news in a given day, then how do you fill the ramining hours and channels? With fast-news.

That's my argument/POV. So, does anyone else see the validity in this new term that's been getting tossed around?

I'm pretty sure fake news was actually, initially, referring to stuff such as this;

http://abcnews.com.co/

Let's see, the Disclaimer, Privacy, Advertise and Contact list all lead to a Contact page which has a picture of a house, an address that is actually the Westboro Baptist Church, and was basically a site that literally made shit up because it would get a certain group of people frantically frothing at the bit. This means they would visit regularly, and you'd generate easy ad revenue; unlike traditional journalism, you had no expenses beyond site management, because you were literally making shit up as you went. If you're asking 'who would be dumb enough to fall for a site like this,' check the comments section of this article;

http://abcnews.com.co/obama-signs-executive-order-appoints-rashad-hussain-as-supreme-court-justice/

There were people. =P Not a massive group, certainly, but then again it doesn't need to be. Again, remember, low costs, and because you don't need to FIND news stories, you can pretty much pump out as many as you'd like and they'd keep coming back because people like that NEVER fact-check.

Trump has obviously started using the term to describe any outlet he doesn't like, leading to winning statements as 'The leaks are real, the news is fake.' Ultimately it isn't about addressing any concern with the media, or even combating dishonesty (seriously, look at the guy talking,) but rather combating the reports against him the only way he knows; trying to discredit their sources at every opportunity. Conditioning his supporters so that if ever shit does hit the fan- more than it already has- he can count on them to ignore, ignore, ignore.

Certainly, one could make the argument that the story on Trump's higher expenditures isn't terribly important. I think there's a certain delicious irony to it, since Obama's expenditures were actually a point Trump hammered on back in the day, but ultimately stuff like the DoD wanting to rent space in Trump Tower with taxpayer money, the less-than-ideal lack of separation between Trump's businesses and his administration, etc are far more worthy topics. One new wrinkle being that he successfully got a trademark on 'Trump' in China right around the time he changed his mind about recognizing Taiwan and began adhering to the 'One China' policy. =P Coincidence? Possibly, even probably, but something worth looking into.



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robzo100 said:

Exactly! Simple, right? Which is why I feel this isn't just about politics, and therefore not just about Trump. The news organizations hate the term, yet how could they deny the simple logic of what you just said.

They can't, which is why they get so riled when people talk about it. But it's completely unavoidable at this point because the quality just keeps hitting new lows and clickbait tactics are the norm now even at once-venerable institutions. There are times when I've mistaken the BBC for Buzzfeed in recent years.



etking said:
FIT_Gamer said:
Fake news now is anything Trumpettes don't want to hear. Even if it isn't refutable.

No, fake news are only news that are wrong in a way that they do not reflect the truth. Most of them are published by the mainstrem media. Media workers and media company owners are almost always leftists and they do not want to report in a fair and unbiased manner. They want to bring along their political agenda which serves their own interests and the deep state. This is why the media does not report about immigrant violence or the Paris riots in an apropriate way, it would destroys their open borders narrative.

You can pretty much click on any article/video that criticizes Trump and you'll see "Fake News" comments spammed all over. Just the other day when Shepard Smith callled out Trump, everything he said was accurate, but there are still people all over Twitter, YouTube, ect leaving "Fake News" comments and saying he should be fired. 



robzo100 said:
Dravenet7 said:

yeah this is absolutely a political discussion. The only substantive point you give regarding your (re)definition fake news is all about politics. Everything else is merely a very vague suggestion that it could be in any other subject matters. Nothing of substance. I consider this thread in the same category or your (re)definition of fake. The only reason you made this thread is because of politics. Nothing more nothing less.

If it wasn't stressed already, your definition of fake is wrong. Don't just try to change the definition of words to suit whatever agenda you have. I avoid these politics threads because they are so flagrantly annoying in regards to manipulating information.

Enough with the, "Alternative Fake News" and "Alternative Not Just Politics".

EDIT: I'd be hard pressed to bet more than 2 people in this thread discussing or suggesting anything other politics. So far there are none. This doesn't belong in the General Discussion.

It may belong in the Political Thread. Even if you're right on that count how does it carry over to the topic not having substance? Two different points.

The "general" part was in regards to this term being the equivalant of fast-food. The notion that fake news isn't just about false stories but that it is also used for shallow trivial/small news but then being passed on as though they were the opposite of that. This is the linked story/example in the OP. I'm saying it's important to realize the concept isn't exclusive to the genre of Politics. From that stand point I wasn't sure hwo the conversation would evolve.

Yes you are right those are two completely different points. I never made the second point about the topic not having any substance. I specifically said, "the only substantiave point you give regarding your (re)definition of fake news is all about politics. Everything else is merely is merely a vague suggestion that it could be in any other subject matters. [Thus, they have] Nothing of substance."

I read the op and I am aware of your analogy. Analogies are good, always good because they highlight, clarify or make information easier to understand, but they are nothing of substance. It isn't a matter of whether you are right or wrong in your argument. If you are saying something like it doesn't revolve around more than this subject matter, you actually have to give at LEAST one actual example of one instance where it isn't about that subject matter, and that is typically for one situation. You include, "videogames, entertainment, music, food, politics, sports, etc. " Yet the only actual example of fake (... or fast) anything you actually give is regarding Trump. If you want to someone to realize a concept you actually have to put context for that in your argument. I clicked on this feeling I completely wasted my time. It all comes off as you wanting to put a seed of politics into things it doesn't belong just to further "whatever agenda you have". Now again, I don't know your full agenda but I frankly don't care. I avoid politics in general to begin with. Your argument is centralized on something happening in politics not more than politics.



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Look, the news can dramatise things, but they generally need to have basis on a veridic fact.

The e-mail from Hillary were a fact, that she was crooked, wasn't.

Did Trumps associates have contact with Russian intelligence? Fact. Is Trump working for them? Not fact.

What i find marvelous is that Trump flip flops according to conveniece. Hilary's mail? Yes, all the worst, she is crooked. My staff misbehaving? Fake news!!
You can't have both!! Either they are or they aren't.



The problem is that there's no such thing as "fake news". News cannot be fake, it can be WRONG, but not really fake. Like when Trump said that something happened in Sweden, I still consider it news. Unreliable news, sure -but still news. The term itself, in my opinion, is stupid. It should just be called what it is, misinformation or baiting, but not fake. The whole "fake news" thing reminds me of the whole "FAKE AND GAY" thing people used to say a while back



Slimebeast said:

He just misspoke. He meant that last night TV showed a segment about Sweden's problems with immigration. Not that last night something happened in Sweden.

So look what you just did, you provided fake information about Trump.

You're always on point.



 

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Dravenet7 said:
robzo100 said:

It may belong in the Political Thread. Even if you're right on that count how does it carry over to the topic not having substance? Two different points.

The "general" part was in regards to this term being the equivalant of fast-food. The notion that fake news isn't just about false stories but that it is also used for shallow trivial/small news but then being passed on as though they were the opposite of that. This is the linked story/example in the OP. I'm saying it's important to realize the concept isn't exclusive to the genre of Politics. From that stand point I wasn't sure hwo the conversation would evolve.

Yes you are right those are two completely different points. I never made the second point about the topic not having any substance. I specifically said, "the only substantiave point you give regarding your (re)definition of fake news is all about politics. Everything else is merely is merely a vague suggestion that it could be in any other subject matters. [Thus, they have] Nothing of substance."

I read the op and I am aware of your analogy. Analogies are good, always good because they highlight, clarify or make information easier to understand, but they are nothing of substance. It isn't a matter of whether you are right or wrong in your argument. If you are saying something like it doesn't revolve around more than this subject matter, you actually have to give at LEAST one actual example of one instance where it isn't about that subject matter, and that is typically for one situation. You include, "videogames, entertainment, music, food, politics, sports, etc. " Yet the only actual example of fake (... or fast) anything you actually give is regarding Trump. If you want to someone to realize a concept you actually have to put context for that in your argument. I clicked on this feeling I completely wasted my time. It all comes off as you wanting to put a seed of politics into things it doesn't belong just to further "whatever agenda you have". Now again, I don't know your full agenda but I frankly don't care. I avoid politics in general to begin with. Your argument is centralized on something happening in politics not more than politics.

You write a lot for things you don't care about :)



Don't sugar coat it. "fake news" & "alternative facts" = Lies



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