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I have my Wii U, which I assume has less resolution than Switch capabilities, hooked up to a massive projector in my basement, and everything on it looks beautiful (except for Starfox zero... just eww). As long as the Switch can pull off that I'm good, if it does better than w/e.

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I wonder if there will be games running below 720/900p in the future, something like 540/720p....

If you want graphically impressive games, you're in the wrong camp and you should've known it ten years ago. You can't blame anyone other than yourself for this situation.

Nintation360 said:

I think Nintendo makes amazing games with great graphics, but my problem has always been their resolution.   

We know Nintendo refuses to release updated hardware and gives us consoles with gimmicks, not a bad thing. I don't look at Switch to be that at all. It's a hybrid. What annoys me is resolution. Wii U should've gave us more than 720p. 720p has been here since 2005. I know Wind Waker, Sm4sh had 1080p and maybe a few more titles and that's all.

When I play my Wii U for Splatoon, or Fast Racing Neo (I let MK8 rest for Deluxe, reason on last thread), it looks blurry. It's distracting. I own a 4K tv and playing 720p games on it looks bad on it. After awhile I'll get used to it, but this problem shouldn't be on Switch. This problem shouldn't be here for the next 5 years. While the PS4 Pro and Scorpio is enjoying 4K, I'll be here still on 720p.

1080p games looks great while upscaled to 4K in my opinion. 720p, not so much. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Fast Racing RMX are the only games I can think of that are confirmed 1080p. Breath of the Wild is 900p(that's fine), Super Mario Odyssey gameplay from Trailer is confirmed 720p, Splatoon 2 demo is 720p and we don't know what resolution ARMS is....... I'll still buy these awesome games but it's dissapointing that barely of them runs 1080p.

Yea I am aware that it's a hybrid and it's a kick-ass portable console, but I'm not sure if I'll be using handheld mode that often. I'm perfectly fine with the Switch screen being 720p too. But I just want 1080p Nintendo games(or atleast 900p) on my beautiful 4K screen....     

 

 

 

Sounds like your TV might have a cheap upscaler inside. 720p should make for perfect integer scaling on a 4K. Make sure you have any noise reduction features switched off on your set.



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Let's hope most games are 1080.

Mario Kart 8 is 1080p in docked mode

numberwang said:
I wonder if there will be games running below 720/900p in the future, something like 540/720p....

I doubt Nintendo will go below 720p as that was their baseline on Wii U, a less powerful system.

 

bonzobanana said:
Trunkin said:
I'm pretty sure most of these games will hit at least 900p in console mode, unless they're running sub-720p in handheld mode. Time will tell.

Alternatively they could stick to 720p and use some decent anti-aliasing which will make upscaling on many tv's more effective than a 900p resolution without AA. On my tv at least a 720p resolution with AA seems pretty good but Mario kart on wii u at 720p with no AA is noticably jaggy and a bit rough looking on the edges.

Yeah image treatment can be just as important as raw pixel count. 720p Wii U games like Trine 2 Director's Cut, Captain Toad, 3D World, and Splinter Cell look fine on my TV because of effective AA.



Platina said:
If that means increasing the cost to $400 USD, I would be against it :/

Increasing a 6.2" screen from 1280x720 to 1920x1080 shouldn't add $101 to the cost. There are Chinese phones with 1080P 6" panels, few gigs of Ram, mid-range SoC for about $110 USD.

Nintation360 said:

We know Nintendo refuses to release updated hardware and gives us consoles with gimmicks, not a bad thing. I don't look at Switch to be that at all. It's a hybrid. What annoys me is resolution. Wii U should've gave us more than 720p. 720p has been here since 2005.

As soon as we knew it was Tegra powered, we knew it was a 720P console. I stated that multiple times. (Even if some people on this forum refused to believe that at the time. They assumed more power than Wii U = More resolution.)

Nintation360 said:

This problem shouldn't be here for the next 5 years. While the PS4 Pro and Scorpio is enjoying 4K, I'll be here still on 720p.

Who says that it will? Nintendo could release revised hardware later down the line, maybe something based around Volta.

Nintation360 said:

1080p games looks great while upscaled to 4K in my opinion. 720p, not so much.

There is a reason for this. When you upscale 1080P to 4k, you can quadruple the pixel count, it looks fairly clean and sharp.
When you upscale 720P to 4k, you need stretch the 720P image over 9x the pixel area, which means lots more blur.

Here is how many 720P images you need to fill a 4k resolution:


And here is how many 1080P images you need to fill a 4k image.


There is simply no side stepping that issue, you can use the best scaling algorithms, tons of post-processing... 720P will never look as sharp or as clean on a 4k screen as 1080P.

Yerm said:
when docked to a TV it can display 1080p, but the Switch itself has a 720p screen

The Portable screens resolution is irrellevent. The switch can still render at 1080P even with a 720P screen.

Nintation360 said:

Yea I am aware that it's a hybrid and it's a kick-ass portable console, but I'm not sure if I'll be using handheld mode that often. I'm perfectly fine with the Switch screen being 720p too. But I just want 1080p Nintendo games(or atleast 900p) on my beautiful 4K screen....     

Really? You should want 4k on a 4k screen.

Nogamez said:
Even the x1 barely scraped 1080p

The Playstation 4 also couldn't guarentee 1080P in every game.

captain carot said:

That's strange because your 4K tv should scale 720p way better than any 1080p tv. 720*3=2160...

That ignores the horizontal resolution.

720P to 4k is actually 9x all up.

solidpumar said:
I wish the boost overclock mode when docked because of the extra power draw could be enough for 1080p. But even ps4 slim is sometimes not able to do 1080p.

I really wish nintendo had achieved 1080p, but still enough for me to purchase. Perhaps we could see switch 1.5 with 1080p screen and boost mode just like ps4 pro.

You could have all the flops in the world, it still wouldn't turn the Switch into a 1080P platform, it may be more efficient than other older console chip designs, but it simply doesn't make up for the sheer lack of hardware, memory and bandwidth.

bonzobanana said:

Alternatively they could stick to 720p and use some decent anti-aliasing which will make upscaling on many tv's more effective than a 900p resolution without AA. On my tv at least a 720p resolution with AA seems pretty good but Mario kart on wii u at 720p with no AA is noticably jaggy and a bit rough looking on the edges.

They would probably just use a "smart blur" to blur the edges of geometry and call it AA though.

pray4mojo said:

Only having to spend $300.00 every five years and being able to take my gaming system with me everywhere I go> 2560x1080P 75FPS imo. The work and upfront costs to build and maintain a gaming PC aren't worth it for me. 

Not to mention... physical media.

A PC can last longer than 5 years. The PC can also be portable.

The PC also has Physical Media.

Dulfite said:
I have my Wii U, which I assume has less resolution than Switch capabilities, hooked up to a massive projector in my basement, and everything on it looks beautiful (except for Starfox zero... just eww). As long as the Switch can pull off that I'm good, if it does better than w/e.


Switch and Wii U has the same resolution "capabilities" as each other. The Switch is using faster and more efficient hardware, so in theory should be able to pull off higher resolutions and framerates more often than the Wii U. But if Developers use that extra hardware headroom for better graphics (As they should), then framerates and resolution will be held back. That's life.



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captain carot said:
Nintation360 said:

I think Nintendo makes amazing games with great graphics, but my problem has always been their resolution.   

We know Nintendo refuses to release updated hardware and gives us consoles with gimmicks, not a bad thing. I don't look at Switch to be that at all. It's a hybrid. What annoys me is resolution. Wii U should've gave us more than 720p. 720p has been here since 2005. I know Wind Waker, Sm4sh had 1080p and maybe a few more titles and that's all.

When I play my Wii U for Splatoon, or Fast Racing Neo (I let MK8 rest for Deluxe, reason on last thread), it looks blurry. It's distracting. I own a 4K tv and playing 720p games on it looks bad on it. After awhile I'll get used to it, but this problem shouldn't be on Switch. This problem shouldn't be here for the next 5 years. While the PS4 Pro and Scorpio is enjoying 4K, I'll be here still on 720p.

1080p games looks great while upscaled to 4K in my opinion. 720p, not so much. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Fast Racing RMX are the only games I can think of that are confirmed 1080p. Breath of the Wild is 900p(that's fine), Super Mario Odyssey gameplay from Trailer is confirmed 720p, Splatoon 2 demo is 720p and we don't know what resolution ARMS is....... I'll still buy these awesome games but it's dissapointing that barely of them runs 1080p.

Yea I am aware that it's a hybrid and it's a kick-ass portable console, but I'm not sure if I'll be using handheld mode that often. I'm perfectly fine with the Switch screen being 720p too. But I just want 1080p Nintendo games(or atleast 900p) on my beautiful 4K screen....     

 

 

 

That's strange because your 4K tv should scale 720p way better than any 1080p tv. 720*3=2160...

Splatoon was earlier than other games Nintendo showed. But i think the real problem so far was lack of anti aliasing, not resolution.

2160p is not 720p*3... It is 9 times the resolution... I know math is difficult sometimes but atleast grab a calculator and check before posting



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That i was always against the idea of a hybrid. It is the worse of both world, with games that are somewhat lost between 2 philosophies.

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