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VGPolyglot said:
So, now that he's admitted that the U.S. is an evil power, will he do the right thing and stop bombing people in seven different countries? Of course not. It seems more like he's justifying Russia's violence instead of condemning both Russia and the U.S.

This is exactly how I feel! He's not saying we're at fault. He's just saying that we shouldn't pick on Russia. I was born in Jamaica and everytime I criticize America my wife tells me that I should go back to Jamaica. I always tell her that we're not some worldly "good guy" that does no wrong. That's why I can't understand why people get so upset when calls America out on their bull. But, in the end, It's usually Trump's base that hates to hear the dirty truths about America. Were any leftist liberal to say this the Fox News right would go apesh!t.



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snyperdud said:
LurkerJ said:

Why not? Respect Putin the way previous presidents were more than happy to respect Al Saud & Netanyahu. He just wants better relations with Russia, why is that so hard to swallow? The US is an ally to much worse regimes & countries.

I'm all for better US relations with Russia. I just think "Well, we aren't so innocent" isn't particularly good reason to "respect" Putin.

What is a good reason to respect the USA? Keep in mind that they are killers.



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RolStoppable said:
snyperdud said:

I'm all for better US relations with Russia. I just think "Well, we aren't so innocent" isn't particularly good reason to "respect" Putin.

What is a good reason to respect the USA? Keep in mind that they are killers.

Pick one. My point is there are plenty of things you could cherry pick about any country. But in this particular intererview Trump was asked why he respects a killer like Putin, I just don't think Trump's response was a good one. He could've picked a number of general things to say in response to that question. I just don't think what Trump said is worthy of anyone getting upset, but I don't think it was a good answer either.



RolStoppable said:
snyperdud said:

I'm all for better US relations with Russia. I just think "Well, we aren't so innocent" isn't particularly good reason to "respect" Putin.

What is a good reason to respect the USA? Keep in mind that they are killers.

Respect the USA what? Who are "they"? It would be nice if you specify a specific group or specific politicians such as the executive branch or certain senators rather than talking about the country collectively.



Harkins1721 said:
America isn't so innocent. Is any leader in all honesty?

No.  Most of the countries that sit back and criticize do so while hiding behind the skirts of one of the more powerful countries or because they feel safe in their own position.  They go along with things until it suits them to take the moral high-ground.  Give them more interests to protect and more power and they'd take similar actions.  Put them in the line of fire and they start praising whomever they have to protect them.

I learned this years ago when some European countries were simultaneously demanding that the US reduce their presence there while "doing more to help".  Everyone says and does whatever is best for their own agenda.



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LurkerJ said:
I don't support Trump but I don't understand why his statement upset so many people. It's the truth, and it's fine, the game is dirty, if you are on top, you can claim moral superiority.

This.

For like a year now the left has been screaming how horrible the U.S. is and it has only gotten worse since Trump won. Now trump comes out and says we are not innocent and the Left screams at him for "agreeing with them?"

The news sucks these days. It's 100% bash Trump regardless of what he says or does. Can the left not see that this is not going to make them anymore friends?



irstupid said:

This.

For like a year now the left has been screaming how horrible the U.S. is and it has only gotten worse since Trump won. Now trump comes out and says we are not innocent and the Left screams at him for "agreeing with them?"

The news sucks these days. It's 100% bash Trump regardless of what he says or does. Can the left not see that this is not going to make them anymore friends?

Look on the birght side. They're guarenteeing Trump gets a second term.



 

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snyperdud said:

Pick one. My point is there are plenty of things you could cherry pick about any country. But in this particular intererview Trump was asked why he respects a killer like Putin, I just don't think Trump's response was a good one. He could've picked a number of general things to say in response to that question. I just don't think what Trump said is worthy of anyone getting upset, but I don't think it was a good answer either.

I think it was a good answer. If Trump had chosen a different answer, the interviewer would have reiterated that Putin is a killer. Trump made the whole thing short. I guess that's why the media got upset, because they got owned so quickly and easily.

Aura7541 said:
RolStoppable said:

What is a good reason to respect the USA? Keep in mind that they are killers.

Respect the USA what? Who are "they"? It would be nice if you specify a specific group or specific politicians such as the executive branch or certain senators rather than talking about the country collectively.

Their entire political body.

But the real point here is that nobody should be upset that Trump says he respects a killer, because if killers could not be respected, then how many big nations are there that could be respected?



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Trump is a chronic liar.

He is sucking up to Putin because the Russian's have blackmail material on him. Release your tax returns (something you said you would do) if you're not lying, show us where your financial interests are tied to, but he won't ever do that.

If this about "fighting ISIS" then why not also team up with Iran, ISIS is actually really formed because they hate Iran (do some research). 

The "border" ban is bullshit too, why is Saudi Arabia and several other countries exempt (that's where the 9/11 bombers came from) whereas which Syrian or Iranian terrorists have attacked the US mainland ever?

What ever happened to sticking it to Goldman Sachs by the way Mr. Trump? He loaded up his cabinet with Goldman Sachs.

Also if all this is done in the guise of "safety" where's the safety against gun violence? Guns kill 10x more people in the US than some random terrorist does, but we can't have any gun regulation, so don't tell me this about safety. You are more likely in the US to get killed by a random nut with a gun than a terrorist. Where's the "extreme vetting" for people who are able to obtain fire arms? 



He's right, but if a democrat had said that the conservatives would have went ape shit calling him unpatriotic and a traitor.