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Baalzamon said:
aikohualda said:

i dunno... because government agency is kinda paid by taxpayers.... global warming is barely a political agenda... letting oil company support republican to say it is a hoax is a political agenda.

Just because they are paid for by taxpayers doesn't mean they can say whatever the hell they choose to and represent it as the opinion/fact of the government. This is in no way limiting their freedom of speech on a personal level. My tax dollars pay for lots of things that I don't have access to, including I'm certain tons of studies the government has performed and not released to the public.

And how you can say global warming isn't political is astonishing to me (Keep in mind, big difference between something being a political issue and something being false). There are absolutely enormous tax complications that can come out of global warming, such as emission taxes. Numerous industries have been given mandates (such as MPG standards) that ultimately arise from global warming issues. The fact of the matter is, even if global warming is 100% legit (and to take it a step further, it is indeed caused by humans which is the important matter), there are a buttload of enormous political issues involved with it.

The point of research in public agencies like the EPA is that they should be politically neutral and report the data and facts as they are, not the opinion of the Government. Unless the data has legal (IP) issues or their are security concerns, there is no valid reason for the Government to prevent them from speaking on it. The follow up decisions and policies are for the administration of the day. 

The only reason it's on the political agenda is because of vested interests make politicians put it on the political agenda to hide and misinform the public as to the evidence available. The bolded suggests they're at least somewhat successful if you even need to make that statement. 



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Scoobes said:
Baalzamon said:

Just because they are paid for by taxpayers doesn't mean they can say whatever the hell they choose to and represent it as the opinion/fact of the government. This is in no way limiting their freedom of speech on a personal level. My tax dollars pay for lots of things that I don't have access to, including I'm certain tons of studies the government has performed and not released to the public.

And how you can say global warming isn't political is astonishing to me (Keep in mind, big difference between something being a political issue and something being false). There are absolutely enormous tax complications that can come out of global warming, such as emission taxes. Numerous industries have been given mandates (such as MPG standards) that ultimately arise from global warming issues. The fact of the matter is, even if global warming is 100% legit (and to take it a step further, it is indeed caused by humans which is the important matter), there are a buttload of enormous political issues involved with it.

The point of research in public agencies like the EPA is that they should be politically neutral and report the data and facts as they are, not the opinion of the Government. Unless the data has legal (IP) issues or their are security concerns, there is no valid reason for the Government to prevent them from speaking on it. The follow up decisions and policies are for the administration of the day. 

The only reason it's on the political agenda is because of vested interests make politicians put it on the political agenda to hide and misinform the public as to the evidence available. The bolded suggests they're at least somewhat successful if you even need to make that statement. 

The bolded is there because I think most climate "deniers" (I guess maybe not most, but for sure myself) don't doubt global warming over the last 100 years. It has happened. Fact.

What I dislike, however, is the EPA saying on their website humans are a major cause of this, and then making people scared about CO2 emissions. I have seen far far too many stats/graphs, that quite frankly, show CO2 doesn't have much, if any impact on global warming. I have seen some good documentaries that also showed the effect of CO2 is pretty minimal at most. Even this doesn't mean it isn't human caused, as we emit more than just CO2, and said documentaries often expose those more detrimental items. But the moment the EPA puts all of their focus on CO2, I lose faith in their ability to report a non biased statement.



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It is also very frustrating that they will utilize current temperature data for a single year (or even a few years) to justify global warming. Current weather has WAY more factors than just CO2 driving it (la nina/el nino cycles, sun, numerous other ocean cycles), and quite frankly, individual years should NOT be utilized to justify the problem we have with global warming.
But this is exactly what people do. They will broadcast that this year was the warmest on record, and then they have to add in that this is a result of us humans. That last part of the statement makes it political.



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Scoobes said:
DonFerrari said:

Expert commentary on social media... sure... that is certainly the forum for cientific discussion.

You'd be surprised what's posted on science based social media sites. You obviously don't follow it. 

What are you classifying as social media sites?

Because as far as I know they are the kind of facebook where people aren't even capable of reading a common article.



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Baalzamon said:
It is also very frustrating that they will utilize current temperature data for a single year (or even a few years) to justify global warming. Current weather has WAY more factors than just CO2 driving it (la nina/el nino cycles, sun, numerous other ocean cycles), and quite frankly, individual years should NOT be utilized to justify the problem we have with global warming.
But this is exactly what people do. They will broadcast that this year was the warmest on record, and then they have to add in that this is a result of us humans. That last part of the statement makes it political.

Well, current global warming is related to humans and data is not only related to one year.

 

What makes it political is that it affects us all and for the most part people that neither work to global warming nor can do much against it by themselves.

 

And about cheap, 'clean' coal and srtuff like that, official EU study: Modern and 'clean coal generates cost in the european health system between 14 and 43 billion € per year. And between 2.3 and 6.4 billion in Germany per year.

That is only one factor of many from mining damage to air pollution.

Now, CO² has many indirect side effects, like oceans getting more sour very fast which is a big issue for everything with carbonate structures (corals, mussels...) which makes it a major issue for everything waterrelated which again makes it an issue for humans.

So even if carbon dioxide had no effect on the climate (it has, question is how much it really is) there would be many reasons for getting away from coal and oil.



captain carot said:
Baalzamon said:
It is also very frustrating that they will utilize current temperature data for a single year (or even a few years) to justify global warming. Current weather has WAY more factors than just CO2 driving it (la nina/el nino cycles, sun, numerous other ocean cycles), and quite frankly, individual years should NOT be utilized to justify the problem we have with global warming.
But this is exactly what people do. They will broadcast that this year was the warmest on record, and then they have to add in that this is a result of us humans. That last part of the statement makes it political.

Well, current global warming is related to humans and data is not only related to one year.

 

What makes it political is that it affects us all and for the most part people that neither work to global warming nor can do much against it by themselves.

 

And about cheap, 'clean' coal and srtuff like that, official EU study: Modern and 'clean coal generates cost in the european health system between 14 and 43 billion € per year. And between 2.3 and 6.4 billion in Germany per year.

That is only one factor of many from mining damage to air pollution.

Now, CO² has many indirect side effects, like oceans getting more sour very fast which is a big issue for everything with carbonate structures (corals, mussels...) which makes it a major issue for everything waterrelated which again makes it an issue for humans.

So even if carbon dioxide had no effect on the climate (it has, question is how much it really is) there would be many reasons for getting away from coal and oil.

I swear I read "corals, museums" and was "how the fuck"



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Baalzamon said:
It is also very frustrating that they will utilize current temperature data for a single year (or even a few years) to justify global warming. Current weather has WAY more factors than just CO2 driving it (la nina/el nino cycles, sun, numerous other ocean cycles), and quite frankly, individual years should NOT be utilized to justify the problem we have with global warming.
But this is exactly what people do. They will broadcast that this year was the warmest on record, and then they have to add in that this is a result of us humans. That last part of the statement makes it political.

But they did take those aspects into consideration. It's ok to be sceptical, but you also need to ask the same question to climate deniers. Do they have political agenda?



Vinther1991 said:
Holy shit. Seems Trump will be exactly as bad as I feared. That so many Americans wanted this, frightens me big time.

Yep, although Trump didn't win the popular vote; 10's of millions still voted for him