No you aren't you are ignoring a specific usage case scenario simply because it won't affect someone like you. You are also ignoring a blatant design flaw (in truth i can't even call it a design flaw cause they did this on purpose which is why they have a version of the grip they sell that supports what I am asking for; which makes this worse)

If you can't dispute what is being said, its really a messed up discussion tactic to instead resort to dismissing it. 

Here are the facts..... if you buy the switch, as is... its impossible to charge the joycons and play on you TV at the same time. If you want to be able to do that for whatever your reason then you will have to spend another $30 in addition to the purchase of your switch. Something that if you do will make something that comes with your switch completely redundant (the USB portless grip)

Take me for instance, I have a projector. And all my appliances are basically in a cabinet in another room. I could try explaing how this setup works for my PS4, but no need for that. I'll just say for someone like me; if nintendo doesn't allow me download all my games? No buy. If i do buy, then I must spend another $30 just to be able to charge my controllers without having to go to the console.

Now all that, and this whole thread could have been avoided if nintendo had just thought to put a USB port on the joycon grip........ actually, they did think about it. They chose to sell that thought seperately.

I guess it will charge it 

Nintendo has learned to make a better controller is about it and that made the price super shitty to a lot of people lol. Impressions are coming in and people that were kinda shitting on the joycons all like them a lot after hands on, but agree with me on that the HD rumble can be gimmicky unless it's used in a smart way in a lot of games. I don't think people realize just how much tech is inside controllers that are that small. I'm definitely not going to pay for online unless I see real value in it, that's why I eventually sold my 360 during last gen and never paid for PS+ and still don't have a PS4(X1 is pointless now if you have a PC.) The only reason NS doesn't fall into that category for me yet is because of the portability and local multiplayer potentials or there is noway in hell I'd have pre-ordered it. If the online is shit, I simply won't pay for it. You also don't need another set of joycons to play 2 player in most games as far as I can see so far, it's already beend confirmed that those things are comfortable even in big ass hands, I only pre-ordered another set with a charging grip because I'm lazy as fuck(1 pair stays on Switch for on the road and the other pair will be my primary home use ones) and I have money to spend, I still think the HD rumble is gimmicky as fuck and that jacked the price up but people seem to like it so meh.

Also, there is noway in hell they can get that shit to 199$ with the dock and those controllers, maybe without the dock and power and barely break even if you take into account the R&D costs, just think about how much power bricks/docking station cost for laptops, they'd loose too much money, and I don't see a problem with 720p at that size, 1080p would be really fucking dumb from an engineering perspective, phone vendors are basically at the mega pixel war(phone cameras) again, only this time, it's screen resolution, which put false ideas in people's heads that everything needs to be 1080p+ or 4k or it's not good enough, standard advertisement tactics, don't fall victim to it.

NS tech guy : Ok, so thast the grip..... but wait we have to put in a USB C port in there so people can charge the joycons and game on the big screen at the same time.

NS Suit: Yh thats true, but fuck it.... make a seperate grip so they can buy that too. 

NS tech guy: great idea!! that would cost us all of $5, we can charge them $10 for the grip with the USB passthrough.

NS Suit: Errrr, lets just make it $30.

Nintendo Fan: Yup,  dont be stupid you are just hating on nintendo. If you want to charge the joycons just connect it to the console when its docked. Or just buy the charging grip if its that important to you, its only $30.

Curious on Joy-con charging. Does it charge if you remove the switch from teh dock? Or do they only charge when docked?

How much of the battery life is affected if it does charge the joycons when connected then? I mean imagine playing Zelda on teh Switch with joycons that were dead before hookng up. Not only is the game draining the batttery, but now the controllers are draining the system as well.

I'm guessing they don't charge unless docked.

Considering Sony was losing a couple hundred dollars per unit, that's not exactly the same thing.  Still, that price was too damn high and was mostly Sony's fault for having such expensive HW.  But guess what?  Sony learned from that mistake and thus we have the PS4.  Looking at the Switch, what exactly has Nintendo learned?  I'd say absolutely nothing.  In fact, I'd say they've gotten worse.

IMO, it's a worse controller. Too much focus on unwanted motion controls. Have to buy a separate piece to use it as a normal controller and charge it. The D-pad, something Nintendo is known for, is now shit. And maybe simplistic games won't need another set of Joycons, but anything else is most likely going to require two sets. Otherwise gameplay will be very limited.

Yes, they could. If I can get a 10.1" tablet with a higher resolution than 1080p and decent specs for less than $200, Nintendo can sure as hell pump this sucker out with a 1080p 6.2" screen for $200, especially if they went with less obscure chips.  Hell, the Chinese tablet they ripped off is the same price as the Switch, and that comes with pretty good specs, a 800p glassesless 3D screen, and a rotatable 8MP camera.  And since there's nothing special about the dock, they could have sold it separately for $20-$30. Nintendo is price gouging, no way to deny it.

I mean sure, you can get Chinese shit that feels cheap and works like horse shit for 200 bucks, but remember, you are also getting shit games and a battery that will drop it's charge % to nothing in like 1-2 years, and that's assuming if your charging tip is still functioning by then and haven't snapped off already, or, you can get a Nintendo Switch with controllers that actually doesn't feel like cheap plastic, which is already confirmed by most hands on videos so far. The fair comparison is about the line of mmmmm...... do you want to buy a PS4 or a Wii U right now? I mean, go ahead and buy that 200 dollar shit Chinese tablet if you think that'd make your point stronger, which I highly doubt would be the case. I'm also willing to bet they'll come out with a dpad left joycon down the road, just watch.