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TheWPCTraveler on 16 January 2017
vivster said:
TheWPCTraveler said:

I was stating a hypothetical that may occur due to, say, a deterioration of the situation in the Ukraine. I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I didn't mean to insinuate what is bolded.

The reason I was outlining that scenario for a controlled break-up for the EU is because a power vacuum is left in the case that the United States pivots overtly to Russia and mishandles it such that relations with EU members are harmed greatly. In that case, what I said should suffice. It's not as if PIGS and Deutsche Bank aren't ticking time bombs anyway.

Besides, considering the election results in Austria and the normalization of anti-EU sentiment in Denmark and the Netherlands, I wouldn't be surprised if Brexit is followed up soon. May as well make the break-up painless, I guess.

I wouldn't consider military might a factor at all. I doubt any country would honestly threaten Europe, not even Russia.

And some people might leave the EU but that's basically just a formality anyway since there are so many ties between European countries. You can leave the EU but you cannot leave Europe.

It's all just political and economical struggles that will be resolved in time. Do you really think the whole of EU will be thrown into turmoil because of tiny quarrels and a bit of economic instability? The individual European countries are too strong to let that have any significant effect.

Oh, I see how we're talking past each other.

On the bolded part, I hope I am wrong, but history tells us that it can and it will. We are already seeing economic instability in the form of your anemic economy as a whole, and the rise of the new populists and the (new)* far-right tells us otherwise. And, well, tensions with Russia over Ukraine have been mounting for quite some time now, and have (fortunately) not blown up into full-blown war - though maybe Trump would actually turn this situation around.

* - new in the sense that they aren't monarchists, or disaffected nobility, I suppose.



 
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LadyJasmine on 17 January 2017

I think the EU is more screwed as it will have many migrants due to war and climate change and its soical welfare state will start to breakdown.



AZWification on 17 January 2017
Soundwave said:
Say bye bye Eastern Europe, especially Ukraine.

Fuck, this is not good..



                
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bdbdbd on 17 January 2017

So, what's news? It's not like EU already treated US as an inferior because of smaller economy. This is why EU and US have a race in hauling as much immigrants as possible, in order to increase population and economy.

As far as NATO goes, people like Alexander Stubb (while being in EU position), was talking about the new Europe-lead NATO, and also the WEU was buried in favour of NATO, while it's not uncommon for people to see USA (in terms of NATO) as a cold war remnant.

The Lisbon treaty proponents were using Germanys influence on EU as an argument for the treaty, as it would decrease Germanys power in the EU. 

There have been lots of concerns of other countries leaving the EU following brexit.

It's common to use Germany as an example of failed immigration policy - by the people who are against immigration as well as it's proponents. 


Fuck, I bet Trump have read newspapers in Europe and is just parroting what they write about.

TheWPCTraveler said:
vivster said:

I wouldn't consider military might a factor at all. I doubt any country would honestly threaten Europe, not even Russia.

And some people might leave the EU but that's basically just a formality anyway since there are so many ties between European countries. You can leave the EU but you cannot leave Europe.

It's all just political and economical struggles that will be resolved in time. Do you really think the whole of EU will be thrown into turmoil because of tiny quarrels and a bit of economic instability? The individual European countries are too strong to let that have any significant effect.

Oh, I see how we're talking past each other.

On the bolded part, I hope I am wrong, but history tells us that it can and it will. We are already seeing economic instability in the form of your anemic economy as a whole, and the rise of the new populists and the (new)* far-right tells us otherwise. And, well, tensions with Russia over Ukraine have been mounting for quite some time now, and have (fortunately) not blown up into full-blown war - though maybe Trump would actually turn this situation around.

* - new in the sense that they aren't monarchists, or disaffected nobility, I suppose.

The economic problems are largely coming from the common currency, that's made for political needs, not financial. 

Rise of populism and far right follows the rise of anarchism and far left in Europe. But yes, you're right that there's some turmoil to be expected sometime in the future.



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Sharu on 17 January 2017
RolStoppable said:
I read the article you linked to. Most of the things he said were sensible. The thread title is sensationalist.

As always.



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Sharu on 17 January 2017
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Soundwave said:
Say bye bye Eastern Europe, especially Ukraine.

:/ this is unfair

thanks god EU is still supporting Ukraine, and in my opinion EU is doing great in terms of politics, compared to the rest of the world

Well... What really EU did to help Ukraine, economically, politically or military? )) 
Just taken the poor girl out for the night and than sent her begging to the streets... )



Johnw1104 on 17 January 2017

Congress would never let him bail on NATO.



setsunatenshi on 17 January 2017

I wish I could go to cryogenic sleep until this clown is either voted out or gets the jfk treatment. Preferably the former though...



badgenome on 17 January 2017

What an Islamophobe!



JRPGfan on 17 January 2017
Johnw1104 said:
Congress would never let him bail on NATO.

You guys know where europe gets all its military gizmos and gadgets?

America.

If US leaves Nato, what happends is EU is forced to enhance its military, and start research & developement of its own stuff.

America loses what money EU spends on buying american stuff in that shape and form.