Trump committed to cutting ties with Europe, apparently, in favour of Russia...

[TheWPCTraveler]

vivster said:

TheWPCTraveler said:

I was stating a hypothetical that may occur due to, say, a deterioration of the situation in the Ukraine. I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I didn't mean to insinuate what is bolded.

The reason I was outlining that scenario for a controlled break-up for the EU is because a power vacuum is left in the case that the United States pivots overtly to Russia and mishandles it such that relations with EU members are harmed greatly. In that case, what I said should suffice. It's not as if PIGS and Deutsche Bank aren't ticking time bombs anyway.

Besides, considering the election results in Austria and the normalization of anti-EU sentiment in Denmark and the Netherlands, I wouldn't be surprised if Brexit is followed up soon. May as well make the break-up painless, I guess.

I wouldn't consider military might a factor at all. I doubt any country would honestly threaten Europe, not even Russia.

And some people might leave the EU but that's basically just a formality anyway since there are so many ties between European countries. You can leave the EU but you cannot leave Europe.

It's all just political and economical struggles that will be resolved in time. Do you really think the whole of EU will be thrown into turmoil because of tiny quarrels and a bit of economic instability? The individual European countries are too strong to let that have any significant effect.

Oh, I see how we're talking past each other.

On the bolded part, I hope I am wrong, but history tells us that it can and it will. We are already seeing economic instability in the form of your anemic economy as a whole, and the rise of the new populists and the (new)* far-right tells us otherwise. And, well, tensions with Russia over Ukraine have been mounting for quite some time now, and have (fortunately) not blown up into full-blown war - though maybe Trump would actually turn this situation around.

* - new in the sense that they aren't monarchists, or disaffected nobility, I suppose.