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Aeolus451 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Now that Rol is banned, the two users that make this site go 'round are banned

What are we gonna do guys?

Post like usual.

Lol. *Crossess fingers* I hope this isn't indicative of me in approxiamitely 30 minutes



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Goodnightmoon said:
Aeolus451 said:

Why don't you guys give other users like kerotan the same curtesy then if a user has been here awhile and we know they won't change? Could you cut the fan club bias out?  'but rol is special case....." blah blah blah. There's a million holes in your logic.

A dog can be taught to not go to the bathroom in the house, to do entertaining tricks and attack/defend/track/sniff out drugs on command. I think that Rol can learn how not to attack other users' character and just go after their points instead. Am I being unreasonable about this? 

I just think at some point you got to make a balance, what the user offers vs the problems he provokes, and also we can't use the rules as a dogma, every case is different, some people may call you an idiot in a hateful way just to make you feel bad about yourself, others are not that serious and they may be telling you that just because they think they may help you to change, just as an example Rol used to call Curl "idiot" a lot when Curl was being extremelly negative about everything, but we know Rol and we know he loves Curl and he is not saying that to hurt anyone, in fact Curl later recognised he was blinded by his own fears and overly negative just as Rol said, yeah technically he shouldn't be saying the word idiot but he has been here long enough to know there is no bad intention behind and that should count, specially if he is right, I'm not exactly a fan of his and I have been the target of his rudeness too, but never made me feel like there was an offensive intention behind, is important to see the difference and I'm sure most mods see the difference, but they keep banning him even knowing they are gonna achieve nothing.


Seriously, stop making shit excuses for him. Rol was saying that crap as a personal jab to me. He does this to alot of people. It's wasn't friendly or being playful. We're not friends or have a sort of relationship where I would tolerate that. I even asked for him to stop it and to stick to the points but he wanted to be dick and kept on. If he wants to debate, that's fine I'll argue with him all day but I'm not a punching bag forsome person on the net. I'm also fine with someone taking a jab at me or two because it's a part of debating but there's a line when someone is just being disrespectful to others. I'm not cool with that. 

Rol doesn't really bring anything to table except in the nintendo circles. He thinks he's right about everything and he's antagonistic towards anyone he disagrees with. That's a bad combination to be honest. All he has to do is not insult people. it's not hard. This is a forum. It's not a contest to see who's right or wrong. It's place for discussion and people have to get along to certain point or it turns into a youtube comment section. 

Stop trying to get others to agree that we should hold Rol to lower set of standards for behavior because he's rol or that "he brings alot to the table". Being right on sales predictions doesn't bring shit to the table nor is it a redeeming quality for personality flaws. Is he the owner of the site? Did he cure cancer? No? Then he's just like any other joe smo on the net. Again, if a dog can learn not to piss or shit in a house, Rol can learn to be nice to people who he disagrees with.



Aeolus451 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

I just think at some point you got to make a balance, what the user offers vs the problems he provokes, and also we can't use the rules as a dogma, every case is different, some people may call you an idiot in a hateful way just to make you feel bad about yourself, others are not that serious and they may be telling you that just because they think they may help you to change, just as an example Rol used to call Curl "idiot" a lot when Curl was being extremelly negative about everything, but we know Rol and we know he loves Curl and he is not saying that to hurt anyone, in fact Curl later recognised he was blinded by his own fears and overly negative just as Rol said, yeah technically he shouldn't be saying the word idiot but he has been here long enough to know there is no bad intention behind and that should count, specially if he is right, I'm not exactly a fan of his and I have been the target of his rudeness too, but never made me feel like there was an offensive intention behind, is important to see the difference and I'm sure most mods see the difference, but they keep banning him even knowing they are gonna achieve nothing.


Seriously, stop making shit excuses for him. Rol was saying that crap as a personal jab to me. He does this to alot of people. It's wasn't friendly or being playful. We're not friends or have a sort of relationship where I would tolerate that. I even asked for him to stop it and to stick to the points but he wanted to be dick and kept on. If he wants to debate, that's fine I'll argue with him all day but I'm not a punching bag forsome person on the net. I'm also fine with someone taking a jab at me or two because it's a part of debating but there's a line when someone is just being disrespectful to others. I'm not cool with that. 

Rol doesn't really bring anything to table except in the nintendo circles. He thinks he's right about everything and he's antagonistic towards anyone he disagrees with. That's a bad combination to be honest. All he has to do is not insult people. it's not hard. This is a forum. It's not a contest to see who's right or wrong. It's place for discussion and people have to get along to certain point or it turns into a youtube comment section. 

Stop trying to get others to agree that we should hold Rol to lower set of standards for behavior because he's rol or that "he brings alot to the table". Being right on sales predictions doesn't bring shit to the table nor is it a redeeming quality for personality flaws. Is he the owner of the site? Did he cure cancer? No? Then he's just like any other joe smo on the net. Again, if a dog can learn not to piss or shit in a house, Rol can learn to be nice to people who he disagrees with.

Even though you have no interest in Nintendo, you go out of your way to post in Nintendo circles with nothing but uninformed and illogical arguments. You hardly have a leg to stand on when it comes to judging who brings what to the table.



Well, clearly I have an unpopular opinion here, I guess the right choice is just to keep baning him for completely irrelevant infractions and keep him away from VGC as most time as we can even if we know nothing is gonna change from doing that and way worse users keep getting away everyday just because their infractions are not that evident. Ok, I just don't see the benefit on that at all and this may eventually end in a permaban for a user which only real sin is to make some little jabs, but I can't have a discussion against the whole place, so yeah, I'll let it be.



Kerotan said:
I just reported a post for back seat moderating. Only to realise after the post is from ages ago. If already dealt with feel free to ignore but can I bring up this issue.

Back seat modding has plagued so many threads lately. I feel it's because mods have not punished this offence much lately so posters feel they can get away with it.

I'd be interested to hear the mods thoughts and even regular posters opinions on this.

I concur with the above poster. I have been backseat moderated on nearly every thread I go on because someone with strong feeling to one piece of plastic may have been hurt because I said a positive comment about the xbox (especially the X). I have the right to say something positive about my console of choice without others constantly calling for my ban. Oh a mod was in those threads, but I’m guessing he/she was to busy "Debunking" my posts. 



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Attacking the argument and not the one(s) making the argument is a good rule of thumb. Resorting to name-calling only makes it look like you're losing the argument.

And a simple 'Agree to disagree' can do a lot.



Goodnightmoon said:

But he is not THAT rude, there are people in VGC that are way more toxic and offer way less to the place but are rarely moderated just because they are "polite"

I rather have a user that tells you "You are being an idiot because...." and then offers you a well thought explanation of why he thinks that than the amount of polite trolls with questionable intentions and no rational thought whatsoever that we have around, seriously some people only come here to downgrade things and all their predictions are wrong yet they are rarely moderated, but seems like vgc preffers users like that to users like Rol.

If me or many other users said to you for example "you are an idiot because...."  you'd hit the report button straight away and gave us banned.  

 

Rol is a likable character (at times)  on the Nintendo side of things.  That's why he's been defended here when there's no defence.  As someone who has been banned a lot,  the last thing I want is someone getting a free pass with the rules of the site.  

 

You keep saying he can either get a free pass or be permabanned.  I like the third option which is to use his super intelligence i hear being touted and stop attacking others.  Pretty simple. 



StarDoor said:
Aeolus451 said:

Seriously, stop making shit excuses for him. Rol was saying that crap as a personal jab to me. He does this to alot of people. It's wasn't friendly or being playful. We're not friends or have a sort of relationship where I would tolerate that. I even asked for him to stop it and to stick to the points but he wanted to be dick and kept on. If he wants to debate, that's fine I'll argue with him all day but I'm not a punching bag forsome person on the net. I'm also fine with someone taking a jab at me or two because it's a part of debating but there's a line when someone is just being disrespectful to others. I'm not cool with that. 

Rol doesn't really bring anything to table except in the nintendo circles. He thinks he's right about everything and he's antagonistic towards anyone he disagrees with. That's a bad combination to be honest. All he has to do is not insult people. it's not hard. This is a forum. It's not a contest to see who's right or wrong. It's place for discussion and people have to get along to certain point or it turns into a youtube comment section. 

Stop trying to get others to agree that we should hold Rol to lower set of standards for behavior because he's rol or that "he brings alot to the table". Being right on sales predictions doesn't bring shit to the table nor is it a redeeming quality for personality flaws. Is he the owner of the site? Did he cure cancer? No? Then he's just like any other joe smo on the net. Again, if a dog can learn not to piss or shit in a house, Rol can learn to be nice to people who he disagrees with.

Even though you have no interest in Nintendo, you go out of your way to post in Nintendo circles with nothing but uninformed and illogical arguments. You hardly have a leg to stand on when it comes to judging who brings what to the table.

Uninformed? Is that supposed to be an oxymoron on purpose or by accident?

"That's some good news. Netflix will be a must-have on a portable console. It's the most used app on xbox and playstation consoles so I can't imagine what it will be like on the NS."

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8562615

 

"Hmmm. There might be hope yet. That's a good thing in my opinion."

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8561211

 

Yep, as you can see I go out of my way to post in nintendo threads with nothing but uninformed and illogical arguments....

I don't even post in the ninty threads that often compared to where else I post. If I was out to shit all over anything nintendo, I would have been dealt with by the mods a long time ago. I'm just not a fan of the brand and I don't pull my punches so to speak with my criitcisms or thoughts on it when I do post on it. If that bothers some people, oh well they can learn to deal with it. 

Not once did I ever say that I bring anything to the table. I'm not an egomaniac nor do I feel the need to seek approval from others.  I didn't even bring it up the whole table thing. Also I don't need some qualification that's defined by some moving metric to say what anyone brings to any table. I have a brain, that's good enough. I'm a neutral in the sense of what I bring to the community. I care about it but I don't really belong to any group because i'm fairly vocal about my opinions on everything so I tend get into a debate or two with most people on something sooner or later. I'm just some joe smo with an opinion who likes to debate.

Last night, I had this really heavy hittin' long post written out earlier in reply and the network timed out so it was lost..... 



Ka-pi96 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

But he is not THAT rude, there are people in VGC that are way more toxic and offer way less to the place but are rarely moderated just because they are "polite"

I rather have a user that tells you "You are being an idiot because...." and then offers you a well thought explanation of why he thinks that than the amount of polite trolls with questionable intentions and no rational thought whatsoever that we have around, seriously some people only come here to downgrade things and all their predictions are wrong yet they are rarely moderated, but seems like vgc preffers users like that to users like Rol.

The rest of your post makes more sense, but that part... are you actually suggesting people should be moderated if their predictions are wrong?

Not really I just think that when someone is constantly making wrong predicitions it usually is an indication that there is no rational thought going on there, just a huge bias, wishful thinking or even trolling.



Ka-pi96 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Not really I just think that when someone is constantly making wrong predicitions it usually is an indication that there is no rational thought going on there, just a huge bias, wishful thinking or even trolling.

Fair enough. Although I do think that gives reason to mock them, just not to ban them.

Yes, I mean you are not going to ban someone for that, but if you already suspect the subject is a polite troll and you see how everything he says ends up being wrong it kind of makes it more evident.