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Is lack of gender/racial diversity valid criticism?

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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

Sure have more ugly people too then, lol. Mario/Luigi aren't exactly supermodels though either. 

Though even in this respect gaming is normalizing a bit, Lara Croft looks more like a regular person than a walking set of tits as in the 90s. 

No, now she looks like an actual supermodel compared to the PS1 days.

 

Edit: And apparently real human beings can have big tits.

I think the funniest thing is that so many SJWs think Lara had big tits in the early Tomb Raider games cuz objectification. When the reality was it used less polygons and so was a technical design choice that the games artwork then adapted to.

 

What games are people playing that all the protagonists are white males? Maybe your game choice is more the issue than the industry itself.

And considering anime characters white, is people  with racial insecurities projecting. Most anime characters are Asian. Shock horror Asian skin tones can be pale too. But people have such a gripe with the "white man" that they tell anime artists their characters are white and they just don't realise they are viewing white people as superior. 

 

This thread is so full of wtf.



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hershel_layton said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:
Why do you guys want diversity?
Never heard a black person complain about diversity in video games. Never heard anyone complain except white males and politically deranged feminists.

I don't care honestly, but I think that if the developer is able to, they should at least do a minimum of black/white and male/female. Not for every game, but for ones where you explore and grow( Pokemon, skyrim, MMO's, etc.)

Don't such games already have character creation at the very start? Maybe except Pokémon, but we already know Nintendo is such an evil white supremacist patriarchal company. I mean look at their disgusting attitudes towards women. /S



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MikeRox said:
Lawlight said:

No, now she looks like an actual supermodel compared to the PS1 days.

 

Edit: And apparently real human beings can have big tits.

I think the funniest thing is that so many SJWs think Lara had big tits in the early Tomb Raider games cuz objectification. When the reality was it used less polygons and so was a technical design choice that the games artwork then adapted to.

 

What games are people playing that all the protagonists are white males? Maybe your game choice is more the issue than the industry itself.

And considering anime characters white, is people  with racial insecurities projecting. Most anime characters are Asian. Shock horror Asian skin tones can be pale too. But people have such a gripe with the "white man" that they tell anime artists their characters are white and they just don't realise they are viewing white people as superior. 

 

This thread is so full of wtf.

it's no the skin colour which makes people assume anime characters are white. It's their other characteristics which give off a western appeal. People like Jojo, Naruto, or Edward(Full Metal) are meant to not look like Asian characters. In my opinion though, I usually associate characters with where they're from in their own world- Edward in Germany, Naruto from leaf Village, and Jojo from wherever the heck he is. If they're going to live in a fantasy world, why waste our time deciding what their race is if it isn't specified?



 

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Have I put the incorrect lack of diversity rhetoric to bed? I think I have.



MikeRox said:
Lawlight said:

No, now she looks like an actual supermodel compared to the PS1 days.

 

Edit: And apparently real human beings can have big tits.

I think the funniest thing is that so many SJWs think Lara had big tits in the early Tomb Raider games cuz objectification. When the reality was it used less polygons and so was a technical design choice that the games artwork then adapted to.

 

What games are people playing that all the protagonists are white males? Maybe your game choice is more the issue than the industry itself.

And considering anime characters white, is people  with racial insecurities projecting. Most anime characters are Asian. Shock horror Asian skin tones can be pale too. But people have such a gripe with the "white man" that they tell anime artists their characters are white and they just don't realise they are viewing white people as superior. 

 

This thread is so full of wtf.

She had big tits because 15-year-old boys like big tits, I should know, I was kinda the target audience of said game. Same with Tifa's bouncing tits in Final Fantasy VII. 

Oversized fake tits were all the rage in the 90s anyway. Doubt there wasn't a straight teenager around who didn't jerk it to Pamela Anderson's Playboy spreads on the regular. 



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I think media should represent a diverse cast whenever possible, but shoehorning token black guy or token asian girl just feels off. It can be a valid criticism if a cast of all white or all black have multiple characters that have the same arc or behave in the same way. Still, i'm not entirely sure how to approach the situation, i'd just leave it at make a diverse cast (in both ethnicity and personality) whenever possible and where it feels natural but don't compromise th e vision of the movie just to have diversity.



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Soundwave said:
MikeRox said:

I think the funniest thing is that so many SJWs think Lara had big tits in the early Tomb Raider games cuz objectification. When the reality was it used less polygons and so was a technical design choice that the games artwork then adapted to.

 

What games are people playing that all the protagonists are white males? Maybe your game choice is more the issue than the industry itself.

And considering anime characters white, is people  with racial insecurities projecting. Most anime characters are Asian. Shock horror Asian skin tones can be pale too. But people have such a gripe with the "white man" that they tell anime artists their characters are white and they just don't realise they are viewing white people as superior. 

 

This thread is so full of wtf.

She had big tits because 15-year-old boys like big tits, I should know, I was kinda the target audience of said game. Same with Tifa's bouncing tits in Final Fantasy VII. 

Oversized fake tits were all the rage in the 90s anyway. Doubt there wasn't a straight teenager around who didn't jerk it to Pamela Anderson's Playboy spreads on the regular. 

Pamela Anderson is ugly though



 

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12/22/2016- Made a bet with Ganoncrotch that the first 6 months of 2017 will be worse than 2016. A poll will be made to determine the winner. Loser has to take a picture of them imitating their profile picture.

The story needs to tell what it needs to tell, you know? Don't replace your long thought-up character with a token diversity hire. Tell your story the way you want to tell it. And people ought to be just as offended with token box-checking on an obvious diversity ploy, than a genuine choice for something naturally being diverse because that's the way the story was meant to be told.

I don't remember white males being upset about playing as girl in Tomb Raider or Metroid Prime, nor do I think it is reasonable or justifiable to replace a planned female or diverse male protagonist with a white male, simply because you're worried that your game won't sell unless it appeals to the stereotypical white male gamer. I think both of those extremes are equally shameful.




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MikeRox have said quite well.

I'm just waiting for some folks over here to say anime chars have big eyes because asians are envy of the white males with their rounder eyes. And that because they skin is "white" (you know, manga is B&W and would be a lot harder to give skin color tones to each char)



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As valid criticism, nope. Why critics wish to impede upon an artist's vision is beyond me.