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DonFerrari on 05 December 2016
konnichiwa said:
Honestly my heart hurts when they announced Knack 2. I remember knack as a mediocre game that was fine for a launch game. Of all the platform games that I want a sequel from knack was the last one. I remember when I read about Crash bandicoot 2 and Jax 2...I was so excited.

Crash doesn't belong to Sony (but it's getting a remaster collection) and I barely remember Jax, but if you are talking about Jake and Dexter we had a collection on PS3 and ND moved from it, so probably sumo digital would be the one doing it, I liked their HD collection of Sly Cooper and their new entry on the series.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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m_csquare on 05 December 2016

Knack is life, knack is love



tak13 on 05 December 2016
Intrinsic said:
walsufnir said:

Random guy on the internet mentions two games in one sentence, result: the bigger one has fallen. Amazing.

you take these things too seriously. 

evident if you couldn't see the joke made even in what is obviously a joke thread.

However, admit it! It's too hard to distinguish if it's serious or a joke in they way that you have word/write it! hehe



Miyamotoo on 05 December 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Is this serious question!? Comparing one of biggest Nintendo IP with niche game that really nobody wanted!?


If we look VGC numbers, Knack sold 1.7m on PS4 instal base, SM3DW sold 4.2m on Wii U instal base, and now we will have brand new 3D Mario like launch title for Switch that will probably sell at least around 5m LT.

I`m not nobody

 

DonFerrari said:

Miyamotoo said:

Is this serious question!? Comparing one of biggest Nintendo IP with niche game that really nobody wanted!?


If we look VGC numbers, Knack sold 1.7m on PS4 instal base, SM3DW sold 4.2m on Wii U instal base, and now we will have brand new 3D Mario like launch title for Switch that will probably sell at least around 5m LT.

Hey, don't say nobody wanted, that hurts... I want Knack 2, and if you look at this thread or the one about the reveal you'll see that a lot of people wanted it.

Yes, PS4 install base at the release of Knack was 0, fantastic sales right? Selling 1.7M on a 0 userbase. Comparing Mario 3D World that sold 4.2M on a much bigger install base.

 

When I said nobody I didn't meant not one person, but that there no interest on market for Knack 2 at all except some low number of people. 

Actually it real mearicle to sell just one copy on instal base of 0. :D    1.7m are LT sales numbers not launch numbers, so we have 1.7m LT numbers on instal base of 45m for Knack and for SM3DW LT numbers 4.2m on instal base of 13.5m.



Jranation on 05 December 2016
DonFerrari said:
iLikeEggs said:
Knack is, arguably, the greatest game I have ever played; better than Dark Souls, Chrono Trigger, Planescape, FF6, Zelda, Metroid Prime. It deserves to sell better than Mario Switch, which will probably just be another rehashed Mario game that scores in the 50s on Metacritic, just like Mario Galaxy 1 and 2.

I agree with everything you said. And those reviews on Metacritic are all fake, if you dig the database the average is just what you put =p

Intrinsic said:
Knack and Mario in the same sentence?

Oh my, how the mighty have fallen.

Yes, Knack is on the canvas, but it's going to stand tall again.

Jranation said:

How much did Knack sold? I know MK8 did 8mil+ In a 13mil user base. 

I'm talking about Mario platformer not Kart man.

Knack sold almost 2M and Mario 3D World 5M. But in UK for quite some time the rank showed Knack above Mario. This part isn't a joke.

LipeJJ said:

I just want to say that this thread if funny.

Btw, let's see... the worst selling 3D Mario ever (3D World) sold... like, 5.2m according to Nintendo. That's on a 13m install base.

So, unless you guys think Knack 2 will go on to sell 5m+ and that the new Mario (and Switch) will bomb harder than 3D World/Wii U, nope.

Sorry guys, I love Knack and I think it got undeserved hate, but there is no way to compare it to 3D Mario (sales or quality wise).

Well, you aren't considering all the digital sales. Considering a launch game that everybody wanted to play nothing short of 60% digital attach ratio is acceptable, so in the end Knack outsold Mario 3D World =p

COKTOE said:
But why? Can somebody please make an Uncharted 4 vs Devil's Third retrospective thread? Anyways, the answer is obviously Knack 2. I will bet that "Knacking" becomes the most popular term for rubbing one out before the end of 2020.

I haven't played Devil's Third so what is the connection point?

knacking seem so kinky.

Super_Boom said:
I think a better comparison would be Uncharted 4 and Valkyrie Drive: Bhikhuni.

Please post screenshots, I guess the boots in Valkyrie looks better than Drake old ass.

boypita said:

Are we really comparing Knack with Mario? :/ :O

Yep we are. In UK Knack was outselling Mario for quite some time.

Miyamotoo said:

Is this serious question!? Comparing one of biggest Nintendo IP with niche game that really nobody wanted!?


If we look VGC numbers, Knack sold 1.7m on PS4 instal base, SM3DW sold 4.2m on Wii U instal base, and now we will have brand new 3D Mario like launch title for Switch that will probably sell at least around 5m LT.

Hey, don't say nobody wanted, that hurts... I want Knack 2, and if you look at this thread or the one about the reveal you'll see that a lot of people wanted it.

Yes, PS4 install base at the release of Knack was 0, fantastic sales right? Selling 1.7M on a 0 userbase. Comparing Mario 3D World that sold 4.2M on a much bigger install base.

Soooo it was outselling it in the UK. How about the other regions? 



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walsufnir on 05 December 2016
tak13 said:
Intrinsic said:

you take these things too seriously. 

evident if you couldn't see the joke made even in what is obviously a joke thread.

However, admit it! It's too hard to distinguish if it's serious or a joke in they way that you have word/write it! hehe

Looking at where all this is coming from, it's hard to assume jokes at all.



konnichiwa on 05 December 2016
DonFerrari said:
konnichiwa said:
Honestly my heart hurts when they announced Knack 2. I remember knack as a mediocre game that was fine for a launch game. Of all the platform games that I want a sequel from knack was the last one. I remember when I read about Crash bandicoot 2 and Jax 2...I was so excited.

Crash doesn't belong to Sony (but it's getting a remaster collection) and I barely remember Jax, but if you are talking about Jake and Dexter we had a collection on PS3 and ND moved from it, so probably sumo digital would be the one doing it, I liked their HD collection of Sly Cooper and their new entry on the series.

What I meant is that when crash and Jax released they had an impact on the gaming community and people were honestly very excited to know that they will have a sequel. I don't feel the same about Knach, compare it when they announed a new sly game, knack 2 was more mentioned as a joke than rather a wish from gamers. 






AZWification on 05 December 2016

Knack 2 will wipe the floor with that pathetic plumber.



                
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DonFerrari on 05 December 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I`m not nobody

 

DonFerrari said:

Hey, don't say nobody wanted, that hurts... I want Knack 2, and if you look at this thread or the one about the reveal you'll see that a lot of people wanted it.

Yes, PS4 install base at the release of Knack was 0, fantastic sales right? Selling 1.7M on a 0 userbase. Comparing Mario 3D World that sold 4.2M on a much bigger install base.

 

When I said nobody I didn't meant not one person, but that there no interest on market for Knack 2 at all except some low number of people. 

Actually it real mearicle to sell just one copy on instal base of 0. :D    1.7m are LT sales numbers not launch numbers, so we have 1.7m LT numbers on instal base of 45m for Knack and for SM3DW LT numbers 4.2m on instal base of 13.5m.

We know that you were generalizing as very few wanted a Knack 2, and you are right on that.

And sorry, but looking at how games have a decline in sales on the second week already and keep decreasing over time to the point it's basically nil it makes no sense to pick a game at launch and say the userbase is the one at the end life because you are using LT.

Jranation said:
DonFerrari said:

I agree with everything you said. And those reviews on Metacritic are all fake, if you dig the database the average is just what you put =p

Yes, Knack is on the canvas, but it's going to stand tall again.

I'm talking about Mario platformer not Kart man.

Knack sold almost 2M and Mario 3D World 5M. But in UK for quite some time the rank showed Knack above Mario. This part isn't a joke.

Well, you aren't considering all the digital sales. Considering a launch game that everybody wanted to play nothing short of 60% digital attach ratio is acceptable, so in the end Knack outsold Mario 3D World =p

I haven't played Devil's Third so what is the connection point?

knacking seem so kinky.

Please post screenshots, I guess the boots in Valkyrie looks better than Drake old ass.

Yep we are. In UK Knack was outselling Mario for quite some time.

Hey, don't say nobody wanted, that hurts... I want Knack 2, and if you look at this thread or the one about the reveal you'll see that a lot of people wanted it.

Yes, PS4 install base at the release of Knack was 0, fantastic sales right? Selling 1.7M on a 0 userbase. Comparing Mario 3D World that sold 4.2M on a much bigger install base.

Soooo it was outselling it in the UK. How about the other regions? 

Probably selling lower.

walsufnir said:
tak13 said:

However, admit it! It's too hard to distinguish if it's serious or a joke in they way that you have word/write it! hehe

Looking at where all this is coming from, it's hard to assume jokes at all.

Meaning?

konnichiwa said:
DonFerrari said:

Crash doesn't belong to Sony (but it's getting a remaster collection) and I barely remember Jax, but if you are talking about Jake and Dexter we had a collection on PS3 and ND moved from it, so probably sumo digital would be the one doing it, I liked their HD collection of Sly Cooper and their new entry on the series.

What I meant is that when crash and Jax released they had an impact on the gaming community and people were honestly very excited to know that they will have a sequel. I don't feel the same about Knach, compare it when they announed a new sly game, knack 2 was more mentioned as a joke than rather a wish from gamers. 

I understand. Yes most people think Knack 2 is a joke, but there is some people wanting it, but surely not a hype



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

walsufnir on 05 December 2016
DonFerrari said:

 

 

walsufnir said:

Looking at where all this is coming from, it's hard to assume jokes at all.

Meaning?


 

 

It's hard for me to imagine that you are joking when it comes to putting an important light on anything regarding PlayStation.