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Barkley said:

If only my dock prediction thread had taken off, there'd be crow avatars for you all. T_T

I still think it's highly unlikely that it doesn't ramp up the clock and increase the TDP when docked. Tegra X2 is a 750 Gflop mobile GPU, which would make X1 50% more powerful. If that was the case, Switch wouldn't be capable of running current gen games at 1080p. 720p at best. It could run Wii U grade titles at that resolution, though.

Also mind thta if it don't change it's performance when docked, it would either mean that:

- Switch on TV keeps the same 720p/900p resolution of the handheld. So it's basically a glorified Vita TV.

- Switch on TV increases the resolution while toning down visuals, so the game now looks horrible.

My reasoning is based on the size od the dock. If it is just meant to charge it, it wouldn't be so big. Hell, they wouldn't even need one, they could add a micro HDMI cable to the tablet and you would just plug it on the wall, being a much cheaper solution.



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To me, the dock is going to be the supplemental computing device (104) while the Switch is the game console (102) as one of Nintendo's patent shows below. They may have said that the dock doesn't provide anything extra but for all we know the one on the trailer could just be the cheaper base model and the beefed up one could be their more premium deluxe model and more up to par in terms of horsepower to the competition. Just a thought since the patent itself shows that as a fairly reasonable possibility.



NX doesnt have a docking station. Its 2 sperate devices (one home console one handheld). here is my source. Keep in mind this wasnt speculation but facts.

spemanig said:
JNK said:

I saw those threads and it was nothing but speculation.

1. How powerfull will NX be?

2. Which architecture will XN have?

3. Will NX be BC to wii u?

4. Will NX have any kind of gimmick and what will it be?

5. When is NX release date? At least, what year?

6. What will be the price?


If it was mere speculation, I wouldn't have been so spot on. I didn't pull those predictions out of my ass - I based them on things Nintendo has been saying and practicing for years. They could have been misinterpreted, but they weren't, because there's enough crossing info out there to squash major misinterpretation like that. 100 slightly different vague statements make for 10 explicitely clear ones.

1. The handheld will be significantly more powerful than the Vita. The console around PS4/XBO level. It's expected to run DQX, to it has to be, though I think it'll err towards being the weakest of the three.

2. No clue, though it'll likely be similar enough to the Wii U for full digital BC. Can't say it won't be x86, but if that means scrapping Wii U eshop BC, it 100% ain't happening.

3. Yep. Likely 3DS, too. Digitally for both.

4. The unified platform is the gimmick. Being able to share a library across multiple hardware interfaces.

5. Next year. Likely the end of November. Wouldn't be surprised if the handheld came out in the summer too.

6. Handheld between $200-$250. Console between $300-$400. Unless Nintendo pulls something out of their ass to make it cheaper. I doubt no disk drive is that solution.



I think the SCD device will work with the dock, but not be the dock. It will be sold at a later time.



Captain_Yuri said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Ah fuck... not only is that disappointing but the screen is also LCD?... No LED or OLED? :/

I think it will be IPS so it will be above normal LCD but below Oled. Nintendo doesn't seem like a company that would go OLED, I just can't see it T_T

But IPS is the next best thing so... Hopefully, it will at least be IPS

You guys realize that LED/IPS/QDLED.....etc are ALL LCD based displays right?

it being an IPS based LCD display will mean that it can get really bright and will have great viewing angles which are great things if they plan on you using it outdoors. 

And IPS isn't the next best thing to Oled, QDLED is or at the very least local dimming LED is the next best thing to OLED. 

I can understand what or why Nintendo is doing what they are doing here, and I can't honestly think of a better way they could have done it. I'm just not sure if it was the best thing to actually do. 



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Miyamotoo said:
Barkley said:

Your comment "I guess that games on handheld runs at 720p and on TV at 1080p." is almost certainly true, but I don't think due to an increase in power, just simply because the Handheld display is most likely a 720p display.

You are maybe right, Switch games work on 1080p but they are scaled down to 720p when you playing on go, something similar like Wii U games works on 720p on TV but 480p on gamepad. Basicly, 720p display doesn't mean 720p output.

Lets be realistic here....

NS is rumoured to have a GPU thats around 1TF. Thats a good 200-300GF less than the XB1 and we have a gluttony of evidence of that machine running games at 900p at best in most cases. 

And then there is memory, the total amount of RAM available in the NS is around 4GB. the OS will reserve at least 500MB of that. Which leaves 3.5GB at most available for devs (and this is all being very optimistic) that's also around 1.5-2GB less than what you have on the XB1.

The NS by ALL indications is a 720p HD console (which honestly isn't bad). It's games will be made natively in 720p and probably has a dedicated scaler that though using more power; will allow the console to upscale it's native rendered images to 1080p/4k when docked.

But there is nothing wrong with 720p... I will actually applaud Nintendo if they stick with 720p but prioritize 60fps. 



I have a different theory. There will be multiple docks available throughout the life of the switch. These docks will have the extra juice and gpu for more powerful gaming. The cheapest one will just be a dock but at launch there will be a more expensive one with scd. And two-three years from now a more powerful scd dock will be available. Nintendp, if it wants could eliminate generations altogether by releasing a more powerful tablet console every five-six years and a more powerful scd every two three years but the scds will stop being compatible with previous tablets as more are released. so you could get more power every three years.



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Eagle367 said:
I have a different theory. There will be multiple docks available throughout the life of the switch. These docks will have the extra juice and gpu for more powerful gaming. The cheapest one will just be a dock but at launch there will be a more expensive one with scd. And two-three years from now a more powerful scd dock will be available. Nintendp, if it wants could eliminate generations altogether by releasing a more powerful tablet console every five-six years and a more powerful scd every two three years but the scds will stop being compatible with previous tablets as more are released. so you could get more power every three years.

it can be thruth.



34 years playing games.

 

Intrinsic said:
Miyamotoo said:

You are maybe right, Switch games work on 1080p but they are scaled down to 720p when you playing on go, something similar like Wii U games works on 720p on TV but 480p on gamepad. Basicly, 720p display doesn't mean 720p output.

Lets be realistic here....

NS is rumoured to have a GPU thats around 1TF. Thats a good 200-300GF less than the XB1 and we have a gluttony of evidence of that machine running games at 900p at best in most cases. 

And then there is memory, the total amount of RAM available in the NS is around 4GB. the OS will reserve at least 500MB of that. Which leaves 3.5GB at most available for devs (and this is all being very optimistic) that's also around 1.5-2GB less than what you have on the XB1.

The NS by ALL indications is a 720p HD console (which honestly isn't bad). It's games will be made natively in 720p and probably has a dedicated scaler that though using more power; will allow the console to upscale it's native rendered images to 1080p/4k when docked.

But there is nothing wrong with 720p... I will actually applaud Nintendo if they stick with 720p but prioritize 60fps. 

1st XB1 have games runinng at 1080p too.

Second why you comparing power to XB1, Switch is Nintendo platform, why you don't comparing Wii U power with Switch!? Wii U have power of around 175GF, weak CPU and 1GB RAM for devolpers. And guess what, most of Nintendo games are 720p/60fps on Wii U even some games runing at 1080p, Wii U is i bascily Nintendo 720/60fps mashine, so its not hard at all to imagine that hardware of ARM A57 cpu (much stronger than Wii U CPU), GPU of around 500GF and around 4GB of RAM would alove that Nintendo games work at 1080p.



Intrinsic said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I think it will be IPS so it will be above normal LCD but below Oled. Nintendo doesn't seem like a company that would go OLED, I just can't see it T_T

But IPS is the next best thing so... Hopefully, it will at least be IPS

You guys realize that LED/IPS/QDLED.....etc are ALL LCD based displays right?

it being an IPS based LCD display will mean that it can get really bright and will have great viewing angles which are great things if they plan on you using it outdoors. 

And IPS isn't the next best thing to Oled, QDLED is or at the very least local dimming LED is the next best thing to OLED. 

I can understand what or why Nintendo is doing what they are doing here, and I can't honestly think of a better way they could have done it. I'm just not sure if it was the best thing to actually do. 

Yes but its easier to explain ips is better than normal lcd than ips is better than tn and etc cause then I dont have to explain the meanings.



                  

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