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Should USA ban Muslims?

Yes USA should ban Muslims 58 41.13%
 
No USA should not ban Muslims 83 58.87%
 
Total:141
Fei-Hung on 19 September 2016
Soundwave said:
LadyJasmine said:
I think the issue is the repose from the left is that terror is the new normal.

People will accept it but then the attacks go from ameatur attacks to attacks like Nice France and then people will respond with anger.

What can you do though? Just like you can't stop every crime from happening, it's very hard to stop one or two people from going out and doing something stupid. 

Even if you had a "Muslim ban" it would be fairly easy for people to beat the ban. 1/3 of the world's population is Muslim that all look different, IMO all such a policy would do is drive a certain number of people to purposely want to strike the US or US citizens in retataltion for such a policy. 

And a "questionaire" would be stupid too, anyone could just answer the questions a certain way and get through. 

The better solution is to vet people harder who are coming from the Middle East (hate to say it, but it is what it is), but to do so in a way that doesn't make a big fuss/song and dance about it and is streamlined and quick, so you're not getting into things like dragging people out of line and forcing them to dump their luggage in front of 300 other people. 

We need to have a system that works, but does so without humilating people who just want to go to Disneyland or something. 

The problem isn't with vetting harder or immigration. The attack could easily come from a Muslim convert who is white and has n American name. 

 

The problem is figuring out why and how these people are being talked into doing stupid shit and by whom. The everyday mosques and madrasahs are extra vigilant about who they let in and what crazy material to avoid branding it anti Islamic (as in the extremist material). How are these people falling through the cracks and who is brain washing these people into doing these things. 



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lionpetercarmoo on 19 September 2016
The_Yoda said:
Ha Ha a Muslim band. That's rich, we can't even enforce our immigration laws.

What's the Muslims bands name?



Soundwave on 19 September 2016
Fei-Hung said:
Soundwave said:

What can you do though? Just like you can't stop every crime from happening, it's very hard to stop one or two people from going out and doing something stupid. 

Even if you had a "Muslim ban" it would be fairly easy for people to beat the ban. 1/3 of the world's population is Muslim that all look different, IMO all such a policy would do is drive a certain number of people to purposely want to strike the US or US citizens in retataltion for such a policy. 

And a "questionaire" would be stupid too, anyone could just answer the questions a certain way and get through. 

The better solution is to vet people harder who are coming from the Middle East (hate to say it, but it is what it is), but to do so in a way that doesn't make a big fuss/song and dance about it and is streamlined and quick, so you're not getting into things like dragging people out of line and forcing them to dump their luggage in front of 300 other people. 

We need to have a system that works, but does so without humilating people who just want to go to Disneyland or something. 

The problem isn't with vetting harder or immigration. The attack could easily come from a Muslim convert who is white and has n American name. 

 

The problem is figuring out why and how these people are being talked into doing stupid shit and by whom. The everyday mosques and madrasahs are extra vigilant about who they let in and what crazy material to avoid branding it anti Islamic (as in the extremist material). How are these people falling through the cracks and who is brain washing these people into doing these things. 

The problem there is I don't think these people are being radicalized locally. Unfortunately the internet allows anyone to basically find anything if they really want to see it. 



SanAndreasX on 19 September 2016
Fei-Hung said:

The problem isn't with vetting harder or immigration. The attack could easily come from a Muslim convert who is white and has n American name. 

 

The problem is figuring out why and how these people are being talked into doing stupid shit and by whom. The everyday mosques and madrasahs are extra vigilant about who they let in and what crazy material to avoid branding it anti Islamic (as in the extremist material). How are these people falling through the cracks and who is brain washing these people into doing these things. 

Nothing says the perp has to be Muslim, either. The worst terror attack in the US prior to 9/11, and the one that hit closest to home for me personally as it was only 15 miles away, was perpetrated by two United States Army veterans operating out of Arizona who hated the government.



VGPolyglot on 19 September 2016
Soundwave said:
Fei-Hung said:

The problem isn't with vetting harder or immigration. The attack could easily come from a Muslim convert who is white and has n American name. 

 

The problem is figuring out why and how these people are being talked into doing stupid shit and by whom. The everyday mosques and madrasahs are extra vigilant about who they let in and what crazy material to avoid branding it anti Islamic (as in the extremist material). How are these people falling through the cracks and who is brain washing these people into doing these things. 

The problem there is I don't think these people are being radicalized locally. Unfortunately the internet allows anyone to basically find anything if they really want to see it. 

Actually a lot of people do become radicalized while in a western country, mainly because they face hardships or have a sense of isolation/alienation and come to the conclusion that it is because of their religion. From that point on they start to feel less empathy towards others in as they believe that they have been wronged by them.



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The_Yoda on 19 September 2016
lionpetercarmoo said:
The_Yoda said:
Ha Ha a Muslim band. That's rich, we can't even enforce our immigration laws.

What's the Muslims bands name?

LOL good catch.  Bomb Jovi ?  Sorry I'm not trying to be offensive or insensitive I just can't resist the joke after my typo.

 



Metroid33slayer on 19 September 2016
NeoRhodos said:
People voting for "ban muslims" are racists. It's insane that it's ~ 50/50...

Islam isn't a race. Anyone can be a muslim regardless of their colour.



LadyJasmine on 19 September 2016

Banning Muslims makes no sense as that would mean I would be banned lol :(



Lawlight on 19 September 2016

On a side note, besides the bombs in NY and NJ, 8 people were stabbed in Minnesota.

In Australia, a man was stabbed by an islamist. Ishas Khan, who was know to authorities but I guess nothing was done about it.



barneystinson69 on 19 September 2016

People need to understand that Trump would be banning immigration from certain countries that are muslim; that doesn't mean he is banning their religion. Either way, I feel no doubt the their religion needs reform--something along the lines of the protestant reform.



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