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Soundwave on 19 August 2016
shikamaru317 said:

Hopefully the dock from the Eurogamer leak does have it's own chipset. If Tegra X1 is a placeholder for Tegra X2, two Tegra X2's working in conjunction (one in the tablet, one in the dock) should be enough to offer performance on par with XB1 at least (maybe closer to PS4), enough to get next gen ports.

Given everything, I'd be reasonably happy with that. 

Lets assume a Tegra X2 (N1 or whatever) is 30-40% better than an X1. 

Two of those together could probably be a bit better than an XBox One in a "home dock" mode. 

Whether Nintendo actually does that is anyone's guess, but I think it would be a good compromise. 



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TheLastStarFighter on 20 August 2016
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Now THIS makes me think of the console as more of a hybrid (if used).

However, if Nintendo uses two SKU's, I am out. No matter what it is, I want it to be as simple as possible. If they do not keep everything in the box, the least they can do is not confuse everyone with multiple SKU's. One console, one add-on. Anything more and I am out of there.

Back on topic, this actually has me feeling a bit more excited! This means my belief for their next home console could be closer to reality. It also means, this console could really be a hybrid and that is what I wanted this whole time. I should not get my hopes up too much because Nintendo files and gets patents they do not actually use all the time. I want this so badly, however.

Wow, do you get confused when you have to model options and go running out of the store or something? 

 

"Would you like cheese on your burger sir?" "Fuck you McDonald's!  I only by burgers if they are all the same!  I'm out!!!"



Dr.Vita on 20 August 2016

So many patents from Nintendo... lol




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GhaudePhaede010 on 20 August 2016
TheLastStarFighter said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Now THIS makes me think of the console as more of a hybrid (if used).

However, if Nintendo uses two SKU's, I am out. No matter what it is, I want it to be as simple as possible. If they do not keep everything in the box, the least they can do is not confuse everyone with multiple SKU's. One console, one add-on. Anything more and I am out of there.

Back on topic, this actually has me feeling a bit more excited! This means my belief for their next home console could be closer to reality. It also means, this console could really be a hybrid and that is what I wanted this whole time. I should not get my hopes up too much because Nintendo files and gets patents they do not actually use all the time. I want this so badly, however.

Wow, do you get confused when you have to model options and go running out of the store or something? 

 

"Would you like cheese on your burger sir?" "Fuck you McDonald's!  I only by burgers if they are all the same!  I'm out!!!"

Pretty much, yes! Now, do you feel better?



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BlkPaladin on 20 August 2016

If the NX has a SCD it will be included, if the history of the last several generations is any indication, if an add-on isn't included in box that more often that naught it will not be supported. There are very few add-ons that came separately that were widely support, and mot of them kind of waned in the end, the only one that I know that was wildly successful was the rumble pack. The Kinect was initially supported but then all but disappeared.

If they do do several SKU's there will be three and the one that has both the NX and the SCD will be the focal point of the advertising push, and be the one that is more plentiful, hopefully. The three would be the one with both. The one marketed as a handheld, the the SCD for the poor fools that bought just the handheld.



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Pemalite on 20 August 2016
shikamaru317 said:

Hopefully the dock from the Eurogamer leak does have it's own chipset. If Tegra X1 is a placeholder for Tegra X2, two Tegra X2's working in conjunction (one in the tablet, one in the dock) should be enough to offer performance on par with XB1 at least (maybe closer to PS4), enough to get next gen ports.

Yeah. Doubt two of the chips could beat the Xbox One.

Dr.Vita said:
So many patents from Nintendo... lol


Don't take them as gospel of Nintendo's plans though, it's normal for company's to constantly apply for new patents that are fairly vague in order to have the largest possible coverage in order to litigate and defend yourself form litigation and for cross-patent agreements.

StarOcean said:

They need to release the NX already...

EDIT: I meant release information

Agreed. Tired of the speculation and "what ifs".

j.thomaz said:

Nintendo eXpandable confirmed. No more generations, just upgrade your hardware to keep playing new games. Pc started it, now mobile phones can do it, only natural home consoles to do it.

Technically Nintendo has already been doing this for a few generations now, just upgrade your hardware and keep playing last gen and the current gen.

Wii could play Gamecube games, Wii U could play Wii games. And with the virtual store, play select titles from all their other platforms.
Mobile took a similar approach.

3DS could play DS, DS could play Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Advance could play Gameboy Colour, Gameboy Colour could play Gameboy etc'.

The NX *might* break that though and not have Wii U backwards compatability, but it should have the grunt to do DS and 3DS though.



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ktay95 on 20 August 2016
TheLastStarFighter said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Now THIS makes me think of the console as more of a hybrid (if used).

However, if Nintendo uses two SKU's, I am out. No matter what it is, I want it to be as simple as possible. If they do not keep everything in the box, the least they can do is not confuse everyone with multiple SKU's. One console, one add-on. Anything more and I am out of there.

Back on topic, this actually has me feeling a bit more excited! This means my belief for their next home console could be closer to reality. It also means, this console could really be a hybrid and that is what I wanted this whole time. I should not get my hopes up too much because Nintendo files and gets patents they do not actually use all the time. I want this so badly, however.

Wow, do you get confused when you have to model options and go running out of the store or something? 

 

"Would you like cheese on your burger sir?" "Fuck you McDonald's!  I only by burgers if they are all the same!  I'm out!!!"

This was both the worst and best analogy ever



Pemalite on 20 August 2016
shikamaru317 said:
Pemalite said:

Yeah. Doubt two of the chips could beat the Xbox One.

I don't know, Tegra X1 is 512 gflops so I'd guess Tegra X2 is around 800 gflops. Two Tegra X2's working together should match or exceed XB1. This of course all assumes that Nintendo is using Nvidia, which I'm still doubtful about.

Except there is more to a games performance and image quality than flops.

Tegra is likely to be constrained by a very limited memory configuration, minimal caches, likely inferior geometric performance, certainly less texturing power.

Can't forget that adding additional GPU's in a "SLI/Multi-GPU" configuration doesn't scale lineraly, there is inefficiencies.



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Soundwave on 20 August 2016
Pemalite said:
shikamaru317 said:

I don't know, Tegra X1 is 512 gflops so I'd guess Tegra X2 is around 800 gflops. Two Tegra X2's working together should match or exceed XB1. This of course all assumes that Nintendo is using Nvidia, which I'm still doubtful about.

Except there is more to a games performance and image quality than flops.

Tegra is likely to be constrained by a very limited memory configuration, minimal caches, likely inferior geometric performance, certainly less texturing power.

It's unlikely NX will have just a standard memory config, that's where Nintendo will likely insist on serious customization. 

Even the New 3DS has 10MB of eDRAM. Nintendo loves their high speed RAM pools. 

Though as I've read on NeoGaf, Nvidia's tiling approach could allow Nintendo to use a good deal less in terms of high speed RAM/caches. 



Pemalite on 20 August 2016
Soundwave said:
Pemalite said:

Except there is more to a games performance and image quality than flops.

Tegra is likely to be constrained by a very limited memory configuration, minimal caches, likely inferior geometric performance, certainly less texturing power.

It's unlikely NX will have just a standard memory config, that's where Nintendo will likely insist on serious customization. 

Even the New 3DS has 10MB of eDRAM. Nintendo loves their high speed RAM pools. 

It will likely be paired up with LPDDR4 on a 32bit-64bit memory interface, why? Energy efficiency.
GDDR5 and GDDR5X are not energy efficient and also require substantual silicon investment which doesn't help either.

eDRAM isn't a magic bullet... And will also consume additional energy, drive up costs and require more traces and PCB layers.

Can't forget the Xbox One has a chunk of eSRAM as well, which will likely be operating at a higher frequency thanks to the higher thermal ceiling.



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