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Who is making the NX GPU

nVida 187 41.19%
 
AMD 210 46.26%
 
Silicon Graphics Inc 16 3.52%
 
Sony (the power of the Cell!!!) 41 9.03%
 
Total:454
Miyamotoo on 16 August 2016
Kirin_gaming said:

Though Nvidia downplayed console margins, their pride was hurt by the lossin console contracts. All the talk about "focusing on Shield" was a cover for the fact that MS and Sony had soured on them and would not enter negotiations.Not just that, but first info we had about Nvidia on NX (SemiAccurate) was telling that Nvidia gave Nintendo very good deal. Here is that info from May.

  • Nvidia team was told to get a console win or "go home." Enter Nintendo, who apparently made off very well in this deal. This to the point that SemiAccurate questions whether this is a "win" at all for Nvidia.
  • SA has heard that Nvidia are promising software, support, and the whole shebang at a very low cost. According to one source, Nvidia may even be taking a loss on this deal.
  • Not mentioned which generation of Tegra or process node will be used or when the handheld is scheduled for release.
  • No mention of the home console, but we can speculate what that might be and who might provide the chipset for that one.

http://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/12/guess-whos-silicon-is-in-nintendos-nx/

I'd be willing to believe it was Nvidia if it wasn't for this.

Nvidia doesn't downplay console margins just for the sake of downplaying them.The truth is that console deals would be negligible for a company as successful as Nvidia unless of course, they were on the winning end of the deal which this guess implies otherwise.In case you don't believe console deals even one that benefit both parties are negligible just take a look at AMD, they currently manufacture for all consoles yet they are in the shitter.Why would Nvidia want such deals? and even more so why would they want a losing deal?

I think point is that they want to enter console market even that doesn't give them big profit, just to be present there and maybe later some else also would consider their chips for their consoles/platforms.

 

Mar1217 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Loking at this poll its seems lotsa people missed Eurogamer article about NX that later was confirmed buy multiple reliable sites.
So we have Eurogamers infos that saying NX is using Nvidia X1 chip, also those Eurogamer infos are confirmed by multiple reliable sites.
On other hand nothing point that NX using AMD, so at this point its almost certain NX will have Nvidia chip.

Uuuuhh did you smoke some good ones or what ?

Nothing has been confirmed AT ALL ! Everything that has been reported by this report goes straight out in what we call a ''rumor''. Nothing is official before it's been reveal or a REAL leak coming out with some concrete proof to back it up and not you're mysterious sources that work in the shadow of Nintendo.

And let's talk about these ''multiple reliable sites''. If you look on the other side, you might see people who are eager to throw whatever that comes out to attract guillible people on their site and getting tons of clicks. Let's be fair, it became too easy to fool people and write an article about whatever is trending to get undeserved attention.

+ The last financial metting from Nvidia pointed out that they probably won't stay in the  console market.

You dont make any sense. WSJ and IGN from their sources confirmed infos about NX that Eurogamer wrote in their article.

Of Course nothing is official until Nintendo relieve NX, if you have artilce about NX from realible site, and then then those infos are confiremed buy multiply realibles sites or leakers, then most likly that actualy is true. In this case, Eurogamer made article and infos from that article were confirmed buy WSJ, IGN, MWC, wile SemiAccurate and Digitimes talked about NX using Nvidia even before Eurogamer article.

 

bunchanumbers said:
Its gonna be AMD. Nvidia themselves said they are focusing on smart cars. There was no wins announced and AMD already announced design wins.

Its time to give it up. Unless Nvidia is not telling their investors everything then NX isn't happening.

Most likely they can't say anything because of NX NDA. Also Nvidia next week will announce new Tegra Pascal based chip that has chance to be in NX.



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Miyamotoo on 16 August 2016
JEMC said:
Soundwave said:

It's Nvidia.

Ultimately it doesn't matter since the GPU is going to be made for Nintendo's spec, it's not as if because the Wii U used AMD that it was magically super powerful (quite the contrary actually).

Not sure why people even have that much of a hard-on from AMD ... Nvidia GPUs seem to outperform AMD most of the time from the benchmarks I've seen, AMD also doesn't have a credible mobile processor tech ... Nvidia does with Tegra. 

You're missing the point.

Soundwave said:

Again not even sure why people think AMD is good. Nvidia makes better GPUs flat out, the only reason Sony/MS use AMD is because AMD is willing to give them their shoddier tech for cheap.

But Nintendo likely is scoring a sweet deal for the Tegra technology since Nvidia hasn't found other takers for it (no one needs a tablet that powerful and autonomous cars is a niche market for another 3-4 years at least). So that likely isn't an issue either.

Now you get closer!

The three main reasons why poeple is saying AMD are tradition, hope and economy

1-Tradition. Nintendo has always used AMD GPUs, and some want to see that relation keep going.

2-Hope. With the PS4 and X1 featuring AMD GPUs, some poeple hope that, if Nintendo has an AMD GPU, ports will be easier to make, and the chances of getting more third party support will increase. Poor fools.

3-Economy. This ties with the sentence I underlined. Nvidia has indeed more powerful GPUs, but they are also more expensive. That means that, for the same price that you can get a Nvidia GPU with X power, you can get an AMD GPU that's more powerful, or one with the same power but at a lower cost.

 

Also, yes, AMD could be using the Tegra X1 as a placeholder. The X1 features standard A57 and A53 cores that AMD can provide since they have an ARM license and their K12 chip is based on the A57 models. The GPU part is a bit tricky, but Nintendo's middleware could take care of that.

That could also explain, at least in part, the delay, as the K12 was delayed to 2017.
  • Nvidia team was told to get a console win or "go home." Enter Nintendo, who apparently made off very well in this deal. This to the point that SemiAccurate questions whether this is a "win" at all for Nvidia.
  • SA has heard that Nvidia are promising software, support, and the whole shebang at a very low cost. According to one source, Nvidia may even be taking a loss on this deal.
  • Not mentioned which generation of Tegra or process node will be used or when the handheld is scheduled for release.
  • No mention of the home console, but we can speculate what that might be and who might provide the chipset for that one.

http://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/12/guess-whos-silicon-is-in-nintendos-nx/



JEMC on 16 August 2016
Miyamotoo said:
JEMC said:

You're missing the point.

Now you get closer!

The three main reasons why poeple is saying AMD are tradition, hope and economy

1-Tradition. Nintendo has always used AMD GPUs, and some want to see that relation keep going.

2-Hope. With the PS4 and X1 featuring AMD GPUs, some poeple hope that, if Nintendo has an AMD GPU, ports will be easier to make, and the chances of getting more third party support will increase. Poor fools.

3-Economy. This ties with the sentence I underlined. Nvidia has indeed more powerful GPUs, but they are also more expensive. That means that, for the same price that you can get a Nvidia GPU with X power, you can get an AMD GPU that's more powerful, or one with the same power but at a lower cost.

 

Also, yes, AMD could be using the Tegra X1 as a placeholder. The X1 features standard A57 and A53 cores that AMD can provide since they have an ARM license and their K12 chip is based on the A57 models. The GPU part is a bit tricky, but Nintendo's middleware could take care of that.

That could also explain, at least in part, the delay, as the K12 was delayed to 2017.
  • Nvidia team was told to get a console win or "go home." Enter Nintendo, who apparently made off very well in this deal. This to the point that SemiAccurate questions whether this is a "win" at all for Nvidia.
  • SA has heard that Nvidia are promising software, support, and the whole shebang at a very low cost. According to one source, Nvidia may even be taking a loss on this deal.
  • Not mentioned which generation of Tegra or process node will be used or when the handheld is scheduled for release.
  • No mention of the home console, but we can speculate what that might be and who might provide the chipset for that one.

http://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/12/guess-whos-silicon-is-in-nintendos-nx/

I don't want to sound rude, but don't treat SemiAccurate for a source of reliable information because it's not. It's just another source of info and rumors that, like the rest, sometimes is right and sometimes doesn't. 

And they are quite biased against Nvidia, which explains why in the article Nvidia seems desperate and willing to do anything, to put them in a bad position.



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Dunban67 on 16 August 2016
Mar1217 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Loking at this poll its seems lotsa people missed Eurogamer article about NX that later was confirmed buy multiple reliable sites.
So we have Eurogamers infos that saying NX is using Nvidia X1 chip, also those Eurogamer infos are confirmed by multiple reliable sites.
On other hand nothing point that NX using AMD, so at this point its almost certain NX will have Nvidia chip.

Uuuuhh did you smoke some good ones or what ?

Nothing has been confirmed AT ALL ! Everything that has been reported by this report goes straight out in what we call a ''rumor''. Nothing is official before it's been reveal or a REAL leak coming out with some concrete proof to back it up and not you're mysterious sources that work in the shadow of Nintendo.

And let's talk about these ''multiple reliable sites''. If you look on the other side, you might see people who are eager to throw whatever that comes out to attract guillible people on their site and getting tons of clicks. Let's be fair, it became too easy to fool people and write an article about whatever is trending to get undeserved attention.

+ The last financial metting from Nvidia pointed out that they probably won't stay in the  console market.

 

Nvidia did not " point out" they prob won t stay in the console market -  they did not discuss the console market one way or another -  



TJZ_Link on 16 August 2016

Sold on Nvidia. Fingers cross for Pascal and a X2.



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Jumpin on 16 August 2016

It's already confirmed to be nVidia Tegra series. I thought everyone already knew this?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-nx-mobile-games-machine-powered-by-nvidia-tegra



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BlkPaladin on 16 August 2016

I put AMD because I believe they will use an AMD supplied ARM processor though I was reading about their ARM processors, and it doesn't eliminate that NVidia may be used to supply the graphics solution. It seems there was a supercomputer that was produced that used AMD's ARM tech and NVidia's graphic



Kirin_gaming on 16 August 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Kirin_gaming said:

I'd be willing to believe it was Nvidia if it wasn't for this.

Nvidia doesn't downplay console margins just for the sake of downplaying them.The truth is that console deals would be negligible for a company as successful as Nvidia unless of course, they were on the winning end of the deal which this guess implies otherwise.In case you don't believe console deals even one that benefit both parties are negligible just take a look at AMD, they currently manufacture for all consoles yet they are in the shitter.Why would Nvidia want such deals? and even more so why would they want a losing deal?

I think point is that they want to enter console market even that doesn't give them big profit, just to be present there and maybe later some else also would consider their chips for their consoles/platforms.

 

But again what would the point of that be? I think We've already established that console deals barely make any difference in a company's revenue especially one like Nvidia.The big 3 already know that Nvidia exists, they already know that they have the strongest and most efficient GPUs but they come at a premium price.Nvidia recently came into many investors eyes, they are currently a rising star, they need more deals like those with tesla which can possibly bring them billions they need to keep high profits to maintain a positive image, and like I've said countless times a console deal would do very little for a company like Nvidia, not to mention that having a losing deal like those guesses say would ruin their current image with investors.why would Nvidia ruin their image just for a petty console deal which will only cause them loses? do you now see why I and many other people are skeptical?



superchunk on 16 August 2016

nvidia. The source, logic and other info makes a whole lot more sense based on the idea of a console that has home and portable functionality while delivering Xbone1 level of capability. AMD articles are purely speculation based.



FunFan on 16 August 2016

You forgot some very important candidates in the poll:

1. DMP - Japanese company who made the 3DS GPU. (PIKA series GPUs)
2.Qualcomm - The one kicking Nvidias ass on the mobile space. (Adreno series GPUs/Snapdragon SoC)
3. ARM licensee - ARM also licenses GPU designs. (Mali series GPU IP cores)



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