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walsufnir on 27 June 2016
Intrinsic said:
walsufnir said:

I hate this "some people"-posting attitude.

Be concrete and talk to these guys and address what you think is wrong with their attitude or even prove them wrong. Otherwise, this is just an unnecessary post, in my opinion. 

Also, there is a difference between people being desperate for this to be wrong and to criticize what the whole thread is based on. Even Osiris took the 55.tf value back.

Btw, are you desperate for being right on that case?

Just asking.
walsufnir said:

Holy shit, proelite is now an insider? This game me a good laugh.

What I am wondering is that if power is not that huge of a deal and doesn't translate into sales, why would they even consider an upgrade?

Scorpio will release later so it will be more powerful. If Sony thinks they have to keep the power gap as close as possible, then they actually care for the power difference which makes people saying that it isn't important look somewhat off.

Funny.... i think you do it too...... 

I didn't refer to this thread, actually. It is way more fun to watch at neogaf. But Gribble sounded like he is complaining about his thread which is something different. But perhaps this is a new drive-by method because a mod is already complaining about "personal attacks" while the "some people"-behaviour seems to be fine.



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Guitarguy on 27 June 2016
Intrinsic said:

The point of delaying and incresing the price is all about more powah!!! And that point is a big deal csuse sony isnt in this alone. Even more relevant when its considered how essy it would be to make that more powerful box.

A mistake you are making is that you are treating the neo/scorpio like they are new consoles. It doesnt matter if the neo comes in at $400/$500/$600. There is a cheaper alternative oit there. People that go to buy a $300 PS4 won't miss out on anything. They just chose to get a 1080p version of the PS4. 

As with above, it doesnt matter if sony comes out a year before or a year after with the neo, game sales arent going to reflect whst sku of the PS4/XB1 they are played on. If by the time the neo is released there are 60M PS4s out there and it sells 1M units in one day (big if), the amount of PS4s out there will be 61M. 

Just look at these new consoles as nothing more than 4k boxes with added IQ stuff for more eye candy. I can almost gaurabtee you that both the neo and scorpio, even though outputting in 4k, will not run anygame natively at 4k. Its just a waste of resources. 


At this stage I'm starting to believe this. Native 4k gaming on a $399-599US console is just hard to believe.



walsufnir on 27 June 2016
GribbleGrunger said:
walsufnir said:

I hate this "some people"-posting attitude.

Be concrete and talk to these guys and address what you think is wrong with their attitude or even prove them wrong. Otherwise, this is just an unnecessary post, in my opinion. 

Also, there is a difference between people being desperate for this to be wrong and to criticize what the whole thread is based on. Even Osiris took the 55.tf value back.

Btw, are you desperate for being right on that case?

Just asking.

I'm hoping it's right, of course. It would be absolutely stupid for me not to. Being desparate that it's wrong is a completely different mind set.

Why is it so important to you that Sony tries to match the specs of a console which is set to release way later?



Guitarguy on 27 June 2016

Even development kits change and evolve over time:

http://kotaku.com/5977849/the-playstation-4-has-a-new-controller-fancy-user-accounts-and-impressive-specs-so-far

PS4 development kit specs in January 2013

System Memory: 8GB
Video Memory: 2.2 GB
CPU: 4x Dual-Core AMD64 "Bulldozer" (so, 8x cores)
GPU: AMD R10xx
Ports: 4x USB 3.0, 2x Ethernet
Drive: Blu-Ray
HDD: 160GB
Audio Output: HDMI & Optical, 2.0, 5.1 & 7.1 channels



davygee on 27 June 2016
Intrinsic said:

The point of delaying and incresing the price is all about more powah!!! And that point is a big deal csuse sony isnt in this alone. Even more relevant when its considered how essy it would be to make that more powerful box.

A mistake you are making is that you are treating the neo/scorpio like they are new consoles. It doesnt matter if the neo comes in at $400/$500/$600. There is a cheaper alternative oit there. People that go to buy a $300 PS4 won't miss out on anything. They just chose to get a 1080p version of the PS4. 

As with above, it doesnt matter if sony comes out a year before or a year after with the neo, game sales arent going to reflect whst sku of the PS4/XB1 they are played on. If by the time the neo is released there are 60M PS4s out there and it sells 1M units in one day (big if), the amount of PS4s out there will be 61M. 

Just look at these new consoles as nothing more than 4k boxes with added IQ stuff for more eye candy. I can almost gaurabtee you that both the neo and scorpio, even though outputting in 4k, will not run anygame natively at 4k. Its just a waste of resources. 

First to market makes such a huge difference, especially when its a solid 12 months.  Even if Sony delayed the Neo by 6 months to release a more powerful box, at a higher pricepoint, then all MS needs to do is up the spec slightly and still be the most powerful console on the market.  Sony will know, no matter what they do, MS will make sure their console is the most powerful.  So it is better for Sony to release first.

IMHO, the Scorpio is such a large leap from the Xbox One, it should be regarded as a new generation.  Yes it will run Xbox One games, but it IS a new platform.  The Neo on the other hand is a souped up PS4 and Sony have stated that it's a premium PS4.

One thing I do agree with, is that neither the Neo nor the Scorpio are 4k gaming consoles.  I'm in no doubt that the Scorpio will be able to show 4k games @ 30fps but they will look virtually identical to the Xbox One versions albeit at a higher resolution.  So we would only expect Medium to High settings at 30fps from the Scorpio.  I don't expect the Neo to be 4k at all.  Yes it will be able to play 4k video streams etc, but seriously doubt we will see any 4K native resolutions in any games.

We would be looking at 9-10tf in a home console to get 4K, Ultra-High @ 60fps....we are so why away from that.  Maybe for the PS5 in 2019.



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

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LudicrousSpeed on 27 June 2016
DonFerrari said:

So your memory is quite bad for the last decade or so. But ok I can't demand that you remember what people say right?

Or your memory is quite bad for the last decade or so. Either way, what you remember "some people" maybe potentially saying 10 or so years ago on the Internets is 100% irrelevant to the facts I posted, and I can't be bothered to keep notes on what people say on gaming forums :)



Swordmasterman on 27 June 2016
davygee said:
Intrinsic said:

The point of delaying and incresing the price is all about more powah!!! And that point is a big deal csuse sony isnt in this alone. Even more relevant when its considered how essy it would be to make that more powerful box.

A mistake you are making is that you are treating the neo/scorpio like they are new consoles. It doesnt matter if the neo comes in at $400/$500/$600. There is a cheaper alternative oit there. People that go to buy a $300 PS4 won't miss out on anything. They just chose to get a 1080p version of the PS4. 

As with above, it doesnt matter if sony comes out a year before or a year after with the neo, game sales arent going to reflect whst sku of the PS4/XB1 they are played on. If by the time the neo is released there are 60M PS4s out there and it sells 1M units in one day (big if), the amount of PS4s out there will be 61M. 

Just look at these new consoles as nothing more than 4k boxes with added IQ stuff for more eye candy. I can almost gaurabtee you that both the neo and scorpio, even though outputting in 4k, will not run anygame natively at 4k. Its just a waste of resources. 

First to market makes such a huge difference, especially when its a solid 12 months.  Even if Sony delayed the Neo by 6 months to release a more powerful box, at a higher pricepoint, then all MS needs to do is up the spec slightly and still be the most powerful console on the market.  Sony will know, no matter what they do, MS will make sure their console is the most powerful.  So it is better for Sony to release first.

IMHO, the Scorpio is such a large leap from the Xbox One, it should be regarded as a new generation.  Yes it will run Xbox One games, but it IS a new platform.  The Neo on the other hand is a souped up PS4 and Sony have stated that it's a premium PS4.

One thing I do agree with, is that neither the Neo nor the Scorpio are 4k gaming consoles.  I'm in no doubt that the Scorpio will be able to show 4k games @ 30fps but they will look virtually identical to the Xbox One versions albeit at a higher resolution.  So we would only expect Medium to High settings at 30fps from the Scorpio.  I don't expect the Neo to be 4k at all.  Yes it will be able to play 4k video streams etc, but seriously doubt we will see any 4K native resolutions in any games.

We would be looking at 9-10tf in a home console to get 4K, Ultra-High @ 60fps....we are so why away from that.  Maybe for the PS5 in 2019.

Sony stated that  even if they launch the Neo this does not means that they will not launch the PS5. Microsoft in the other hand stated that they will never more make another Console Generation, they stated "Beyond Generations" all the games that will run on Scorpio must first run well on the Original Xbox, both Scorpio and NEO are limited by their cheaper versions.



GribbleGrunger on 27 June 2016
walsufnir said:

Why is it so important to you that Sony tries to match the specs of a console which is set to release way later?

I'm a Sony fan and so I'd like to see the best PS4 console possible.



 

The PS5 Exists. 


DonFerrari on 27 June 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

So your memory is quite bad for the last decade or so. But ok I can't demand that you remember what people say right?

Or your memory is quite bad for the last decade or so. Either way, what you remember "some people" maybe potentially saying 10 or so years ago on the Internets is 100% irrelevant to the facts I posted, and I can't be bothered to keep notes on what people say on gaming forums :)

Have as you wish.



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Swordmasterman on 27 June 2016
GribbleGrunger said:
walsufnir said:

Why is it so important to you that Sony tries to match the specs of a console which is set to release way later?

I'm a Sony fan and so I'd like to see the best PS4 console possible.

I don't care much about hardware I'm still to purchase a next gen system this year. I will probably purchase a regular PS4 because Neo and Scorpio will be more expensive.

My country have a lot of tax and when PS4 first launched it was avaliable for 1800-2100US$ at the time.