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Shackkobe said:

Fact # 1.

You cannot choose your sex, it is decided naturally at conception.

 

Fact # 2.

If anyone believes they are trapped in the wrong body they have a serious psychological problem and need to seek help immediately.

 

Fact # 3.

Pretending to be of the opposite sex or mutilating your body will NEVER enable you to change what is biologically set.

 

Fact # 4.

The fact that we are actually struggling with understanding these basic biological facts is indicative of serious brainwashing.

 

Fact # 5.

Some individuals will believe that I am the one who is brainwashed and reject every single fact that I said above because it is unpleasant to them.

 

 

 

I came here to say pretty much this.



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As a straight man with lot of gay friends, I support LGBT rights. However, I don't know how I feel about transgender classification and people choosing their gender. To me someone of the homosexual orientation is being true to their tastes because one can LITERALLY decide on his or her preferences and those preferences are genuine.  However, someone born a man can never have 2 X chromosomes and a woman cannot have a Y chromosome biologically. I don't like being judgmental or insensitive, but someone who pretends to be someone he or she is not is not being true to themselves in my opinion. They are uncomfortable with the life they are blessed with (to a literal extent, not even religiously), as there are so many unfortunate people in the world that grow up in poverty, born with diseases and missing limbs, ect. So no, while I do support Gay people and gay rights, I am not an advocate of electing genders, someone electing his or her gender is inconsequential to me so I personally don't care. I do not hate people that classify transgender and do not discourage them from living their lives how they want to, but I would not tell my children they can elect their gender, and if they chose to as adults that's on them. Truthfully I may have just gotten pissed when Caitlin Jenner said she's unconfortable with homosexually and that heavily affected my opinion.



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TallSilhouette said:
Azuren said:
having a penis means your gender is male

ftfy

Don't hop on here and start rewriting my quotes with your backwards non-definitions.



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Lolwut? I'm literally using the dictionary's definition of the term. The actual definition. You're hilarious, bro.



Shackkobe said:

Fact # 1.

You cannot choose your sex, it is decided naturally at conception.

 

Fact # 2.

If anyone believes they are trapped in the wrong body they have a serious psychological problem and need to seek help immediately.

 

Fact # 3.

Pretending to be of the opposite sex or mutilating your body will NEVER enable you to change what is biologically set.

 

Fact # 4.

The fact that we are actually struggling with understanding these basic biological facts is indicative of serious brainwashing.

 

Fact # 5.

Some individuals will believe that I am the one who is brainwashed and reject every single fact that I said above because it is unpleasant to them.

 

 

 

Fact # 1.

Happiness is essential in thriving.

Fact # 2.

Being transgender might enable some people to thrive better regardless of wether or not it is a psychological issue.

There is a chance that humans can be born with a brain set-up opposite to the rest of their body, and i personally don't think there is anything wrong with pursuing a life as the gender you prefer,even if it means having surgery and "mutilating" your body. 

Let people thrive however they want. I would never say someone with a bunch of tattoos and piercings that they should stop it because they are mutilating  their bodies. If they feel happy and can live a happy life that way then it is worth it.

Not trying to be an SJW but you are literally implying that accepting transgender people = i am brainwashed. 



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Ka-pi96 said:
Aeolus451 said:

Are you really trying to argue this?

Women have breasts that often times contain milk right after giving birth which she can use to feed the baby. A guy can't feed an infant without something else's milk or without formulae. Women are naturally more suited to being the primary caretaker of a child. Evolution made it that way.

From the moment of fertilization, a woman carries the baby to term, gives birth, feeds the baby naturally and takes care of the child while the male can do anything he wants. A guy can't do any that except provide food for the mother and place for her stay with the child. 

I'm not saying that women are better suited to raise kids in every situation. Some women can be horrible parents. I'm also not saying that guys can't be good parents or that they can't raise a kid by themselves. 

Is that it? Only pre birth and as a baby stuff? What about the actual raising?

You said a woman is better at raising from infant to adult. If milk is all she can offer then what benefit is that to anything other than an infant? In fact if she is still breastfeeding up until they are an adult then that's not really a good thing.

You also said the kid would be better off if raised by a woman than a man. Now I highly doubt a man would just let his baby starve, and whether other milk/formula is as good as natural breast milk is a whole nother topic. But the raise part specifically suggests a whole lot more than feeding as a baby. So yeah, how is a woman actually better at raising a child to adulthood?

That's exactly what I said. Just breast milk. So less than a year? Aren't most so called civilized western people grossed out by breastfeeding anyway?

Again, women give birth, that doesn't mean it's in their destiny to become mothers and that's the only thing that makes them worthy. It's no biological duty, it's not natural, it's not the way it is. We made it so. 



TallSilhouette said:
Lolwut? I'm literally using the dictionary's definition of the term. The actual definition. You're hilarious, bro.
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gender

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noun  gen·der ˈjen-dər
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups

Definition of gender

  1. 1a :  a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical formsb :  membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclassc :  an inflectional form showing membership in such a subclass

  2. 2a :  sex gender>b :  the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex



  3. Webster. It's your sex, and the behavior associated with it. You can exhibit gender behaviors of the opposite sex, but your gender (in this sense, your sex) is still the one you were born with. Acting like a girl doesn't make your gender female, because referring to one's gender is to refer to their sex; not their gendered behaviors. 




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Azuren said:
TallSilhouette said:
Lolwut? I'm literally using the dictionary's definition of the term. The actual definition. You're hilarious, bro.
1

gender

play 
noun  gen·der ˈjen-dər
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups

Definition of gender

  1. 1a :  a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical formsb :  membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclassc :  an inflectional form showing membership in such a subclass

  2. 2a :  sex gender>b :  the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex



  3. Webster. It's your sex, and the behavior associated with it. You can exhibit gender behaviors of the opposite sex, but your gender (in this sense, your sex) is still the one you were born with. Acting like a girl doesn't make your gender female, because referring to one's gender is to refer to their sex; not their gendered behaviors. 


You're mixing up terms left and right. It's become quite obvious this is a subject you're having a hard time trying to understand. I'd kindly suggest you get some more education and read about this so you don't seem like an ignorant bigot spreding hate about something you barely know anything at all. But that's just me.

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NobleTeam360 said:
Your gender is whatever you are when you're born. Seek mental help if you think otherwise.

Damn bro.. tell us how you really feel. :/ 



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Slade6alpha said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Your gender is whatever you are when you're born. Seek mental help if you think otherwise.

Damn bro.. tell us how you really feel. :/ 

I just did.