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Ka-pi96 said:
hershel_layton said:

Uh...no, that wasn't what I said at all.

 

I said a reformation. I could dwell into ways we can do that, but  I thought giving the general idea would be good enough.


There are many ways we can push towards a more modern version of Islam.

Other than trying to force them to follow a different version of Islam? Isn't that kind of what's happening already though, and it doesn't seem to be working so well. I mean, how do you get people to just voluntary agree to a new version?

Didn't Christianity do that?



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Jpcc86 said:
The solution is education, obviously. Just give it 50-75 more years and they will evolve out of their barbaric intolerance.

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Seriously though, you can't force them to follow a different "kind of islam" cause that'd mean they can be reasoned with and that's not how extremists work.

Education is basically what makes the "modern" muslims be....well, modern.

 

Education will drive the way for things such as stoning gays to be removed



 

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Ruler said:

Sanction saudi arabia is the solution. They export most extremist ideas, at least the people who rule the country and have the power there. Also all islamic extremist terrorist attacks so far were always done by Sunni muslims (Saudi Arabia) not Shia this is a fact.

Saudi Arabia is a horrible place. I do not understand why we continue to fight ISIS but are completely fine with what they do. Its ridiculous 



 

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More intelligent and more educated regions in the world have less faith, also many of the faiths we have believed in in the past have passed away, overall in developed regions religion is still a fading concept.

Overall I feel like humanity if it continues to develop and grow should not have to rely on religion at all.

Until that time we should accept each-others believes, its not religion that drives people to madness, there are just mad people.




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Wealth and education, feels like one of those old european lefties debate. Khaddafie/Osama etc were are wealthy educational people. Stuff like ISIS is just like an maffia. You have literally 16 year olds who don't go to school because they don't want to be one of those losers who only make a few thousand bucks a month, they can make that money on the street in a few days in name of a gang or maffia/isis =p.






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What Islam really needs is a absolute authorithy who sets the rules, like the pope.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Ka-pi96 said:
So.... your solution is just do nothing and wait? How does that solve it exactly?

Pretty sure he's saying that the solution is to support those who are modernising the religion. To stop demonising all muslims for the acts of the backwards-thinking extremists.



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Ruler said:

Sanction saudi arabia is the solution. They export most extremist ideas, at least the people who rule the country and have the power there. Also all islamic extremist terrorist attacks so far were always done by Sunni muslims (Saudi Arabia) not Shia this is a fact.

Our econimies are too dependant on Saudi Arabia's oil. We're stuck with them as our friends. 

Hezbollah is shia and they're acused of a number of terroist attacks and I believe there are others, but there are big diffrences in the behaviour of sunni and shia terrorists. 

Not really Canada, US and Russia have massive shale oil and normal oil reserves. Venezuela found new reserves which are the largest on earth too.

Hezbollah is probably the only exception and they made terrorist attacks only against israel which is a neighboring country. Its more like a Frozen War there, like north korea and south korea having their skirmishes ounce in a while.



There's several solutions but most of those are impossible to implement in today's world with its token efforts and sensibilities. There's no hope of educating the extremism out as long as the places where extremism thrives, lacks the infrastructure to have a real education system and the ability to protect infrastructure. It would still require a large military presence and a lot of time for it to work. The UN and the middle eastern nations are unwilling to commit that kind of resources for this kind of solution.

The other way is through war (unconventional) and basically wiping out any islamic extremists elements within any nation. Some might say we're already doing this but we're not. It would take a very large military presence in the middle east to track down and eliminate all elements. Because extremists don't wear uniforms or follow any law regarding war, the militaries hunting them would have to fight fire with fire in some sense. Who they can treat as combatants and how they could treat would change. Of course, the UN and most governments are unwilling to go with this option

Islam is becoming more unpopular and there's this sort of anti-islamic mindset that's growing by the day due to the consistent terrorist attacks. Eventually, that would empower a future leader with extreme views on islam or political group/party with extreme views and enable them to gain control of governments. Most likely, this group would go with option 2 but it would be a lot worse for everyone is every sense.

My point is that people and the nations they live in need to commit to a course of action and stick with it for good or bad. If they don't, something far worse will eventually happen because of their inaction.



Ka-pi96 said:
Aielyn said:

Pretty sure he's saying that the solution is to support those who are modernising the religion. To stop demonising all muslims for the acts of the backwards-thinking extremists.

Who's actually trying to modernise it though? And what do you mean by 'modernise' it exactly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Muslim_movements

And beyond those involved in such movements, there's also the vast majority of muslims in western nations, who are simply living their life in a manner that is simultaneously Islamic and fully integrated into regular society.

By "modernise", I mean take it out of their equivalent of the "Middle Ages" of Christianity, and into modern views on things like sexuality and gender roles, freedom of religion and speech, etc. Things that you and I take for granted, but which swathes of muslims in a variety of islamic nations are calling for. Here's more on modernism within islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Modernism