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Finally got around to seeing the movie and I can't say I will be watching it again. Some thoughts while they are fresh:

Negatives:

- Editing and pacing. The movie jumped all over the place, while not having much with regards to connecting thread. There's little context to what Zemo is doing for example so jumping to him every few scenes was jarring. Characters are jumping from country to another. The whole thing, while not hard to follow, was tedious.

- The movie was too long. The movie felt like it was going on forever, especially with how weak the third act. On top of that, they made us wait for 2 pointless after credit scenes. My wife fell asleep by the end and she sat through The Revenant. There was plenty that could have been cut there like the Cap & Agent Carter's niece's romance or Spider-Man, who basically brought nothing to this movie. He was clearly shoehorned in as was several other of the Avengers.

- The story. Oh boy. The story should have been about 2 superheroes fight for ideological reasons and they gave us good enough reasons for them to fight but they just had to have some weak villain with an illogical plan. Yes, Zemo's plan made no sense at all. Was he expecting Iron Man, Cap and Bucky to be there at the same time? And that they'd be alone? And what's the constantly changing strength level of the characters? Essentially the movie was a disagreement more than a war. They fought a little bit (while hitting hard enough to kill while not wanting to kill?!) and then they're cool. Just like that.

- CGI. Some obvious ones in there. Black Panther's movement was great but you could see it was CGI. So was Spider-Man.

- The fights. In a post-The Raid era there is no excuse for shaky cam during fight scenes. I cannot stand that.

 

Positives:

- It's not a big positive but I did enjoy some of the action sequences. Nothing that I'll watch again on youtube but decent enough.

 

Overall: I think a 6 would be too generous for a movie that I feel was a bit pointless and made me feel like I wasted my time. There was nothing fresh in there, no tension, no consequences. My wife thought it was horrible but I wouldn't go that far. I'd say watch it on TV.

 

5/10

 



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Only superhero movies I would give a serious(and positive) grade would be Dark Night/Dark Night Rises, Deadpool, and a few others I may be forgetting.

Disappointing to hear this movie wasn't that good. Hopefully this was more of a "sneak peek" of the actual war that will occur between the two sides.

The second captain america movie was very good. I had expectations for this to follow the trend.



 

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Agree, but I'm going to be a bit generous and give it a 7.

I don't like MCU movies and have hated how Bucky seems to be a central narrative for the Cap sequels, but I have to admit, this is the first Avengers Ensable movie where RDJ doesn't steal the show.

Chris Evans is fantastic in this. Gives it his best and when I went back to watch Winter soldier, I liked the movie even more.

It's definitely a messy and overly sappy movie with far too many characters, but it's still a fun watch. As far as story goes, it's a good script let down by the obligatory MCU shoehorn crap ( black panther, spiderman and even Ant man, while I enjoyed the ant man movie, just all felt pointless here). I'm sure the black panther movie will be good though. Although o have no hope for spider man. Found him very annoying in this.

As for the airport fight scene. Overrated. It's ssuprisingly comprehensible given the amount of action, but starts to get a bit naff especially Ant Man, vision and black widow. 



hershel_layton said:
Only superhero movies I would give a serious(and positive) grade would be Dark Night/Dark Night Rises, Deadpool, and a few others I may be forgetting.

Disappointing to hear this movie wasn't that good. Hopefully this was more of a "sneak peek" of the actual war that will occur between the two sides.

The second captain america movie was very good. I had expectations for this to follow the trend.

I wouldn't take Lawlight's opinion as gospel, he's been bashing the movie as trash for over a month now and..he apparently has only just seen it now?  We all know what the word for that is. 



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If the editing and pacing in a movie as easy to follow as this one represented an issue to you I can only imagine BvS was utter torture.



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I'll wait for super hero movies to come to Netflix from now on.
Civil War was an okay movie at best. Maybe CGI action scenes are becoming dull to me now.
Deadpool was like Van Wilder all over again. The toilet humor didn't help with somewhat okayish story.



Jpcc86 said:
If the editing and pacing in a movie as easy to follow as this one represented an issue to you I can only imagine BvS was utter torture.

BvS was a breeze to follow compared to this. But the difference in this is that a lot of scenes being jumped to don't matter since there is no context to them. Like of Zemo's planning and doing stuff. But even besides that, holy cow was there a lot of jumping around. Cap was in the US in the Avenger's complex, gets a text message, next he's in London, sees some TV footage, next he's in Vienna and then jumps to Bucharest where he somehow finds Bucky. All the while, Zemo is out and about - Cleveland, Vienna, who knows where else. Tony Stark does some jumping around as well - Massachussets to have a lame excuse of a guilt trip, Vienna, Queens.

How did Zemo convince everyone that it was Winter Soldier who bombed the UN?



Lawlight said:
Jpcc86 said:
If the editing and pacing in a movie as easy to follow as this one represented an issue to you I can only imagine BvS was utter torture.

BvS was a breeze to follow compared to this. But the difference in this is that a lot of scenes being jumped to don't matter since there is no context to them. Like of Zemo's planning and doing stuff. But even besides that, holy cow was there a lot of jumping around. Cap was in the US in the Avenger's complex, gets a text message, next he's in London, sees some TV footage, next he's in Vienna and then jumps to Bucharest where he somehow finds Bucky. All the while, Zemo is out and about - Cleveland, Vienna, who knows where else. Tony Stark does some jumping around as well - Massachussets to have a lame excuse of a guilt trip, Vienna, Queens.

How did Zemo convince everyone that it was Winter Soldier who bombed the UN?

You've got some real problems or terrible bias if you think that the pacing and editing of Civil War was bad but Batman v Superman was easy to follow.  As a student of film and television, I can assure you that Civil War was leagues above, ahead, and beyond the terrible editing and pacing of Batman v Superman. In fact, one of the biggest gripes about Batman v Superman was its terrible pacing, editing, and lack of establishing shots, whereas one of the better elements of Civil War was its editing. 

Seriously, this is just more proof that your opinion in this matter is worthless as little more than flame bait or biased nonsense.  At this point it's clear you're just trolling or have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Either way, your words are useless to all except to those who already agree with you and are just desperate to have someone on their side. 

 

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I will agree with one thing. Spiderman got shoehorned in.

Aside from that i enjoyed the movie.



Lawlight said:
Jpcc86 said:
If the editing and pacing in a movie as easy to follow as this one represented an issue to you I can only imagine BvS was utter torture.

BvS was a breeze to follow compared to this. But the difference in this is that a lot of scenes being jumped to don't matter since there is no context to them. Like of Zemo's planning and doing stuff. But even besides that, holy cow was there a lot of jumping around. Cap was in the US in the Avenger's complex, gets a text message, next he's in London, sees some TV footage, next he's in Vienna and then jumps to Bucharest where he somehow finds Bucky. All the while, Zemo is out and about - Cleveland, Vienna, who knows where else. Tony Stark does some jumping around as well - Massachussets to have a lame excuse of a guilt trip, Vienna, Queens.

How did Zemo convince everyone that it was Winter Soldier who bombed the UN?

I couldn't disagree more. Though I think that BvS has some good things and I enjoyed the movie more than I thought I would, the editing and pacing of the film is odd and it makes the film look like it's nonsense sometimes. I'm still convinced that the final product was supposed to be longer than the BvS we've seen and that they had to cut a lot of scenes to fit the 2.5 h time. It definitely feels like something is missing.