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Trump or Clinton

Trump 444 33.61%
 
Clinton 487 36.87%
 
Undecided 109 8.25%
 
Not of age or not American 281 21.27%
 
Total:1,321
padib said:
So why did Bernie not make it? He seemed to be the right candidate, the most level-headed.

He didn't make it because the primaries in the Democratic Party is rigged.  Yet you have people on here who laugh at the Republican Party and say that this is not a republic but a democracy.  

Bernie Sanders just recently stated that he has gained 45% of the pledged delegates and 7% of the superdelegates and called the whole system rigged as well.  The superdelegates are PLEO or Pledged Leaders and Elected Officials.  That means that current and prior people in the Senate, Governors, House of Representatives, Congressman, former Presidents, former Vice Presidents etc get to vote for their candidate of choice.  I believe there are some 800 superdelegates depending on how many people live/die.  So now you have Hillary Clinton (an elite) versus Bernie Sanders (outsider) in a proportional based pledged delegate system with a winner take all superdelegate system.  Of course these PLEOs will and forever vote for the insider as opposed to the outsider each and every time.  That is not to say that you wont have some superdelegates vote for the outsider.  I don't know if this is always true, but I did see that the governor of Hawaii had to step down from her position if she was to vote for Bernie Sanders.  That is why the entire system is rigged because no candidate can beat Hillary Clinton if she starts out with 800 delegates out of the necessary 2400 delegates to win the primary and be the democratic nominee.  But of course they didn't want to give all of the superdelegates to Hillary right away because then things would look really really rigged.  So they dribbled in some superdelegates in the beginning to give her a push so as to ensure she wins the majority of the pledged delegates going forward.  Here is the "little" push that I am talking about:

At the very beginning of the race, only two states had voted.  Those two states were Iowa and New Hampshire.  Bernie Sanders tied Hillary Clinton in Iowa and CRUSHED Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire.  One would look at that and say that Bernie Sanders must be winning in the delegate count.  But this is where your great democracy on the democratic side came into play.  Bernie Sanders had 44 delegates (I believe) after those two states while HIllary Clinton had 394 delegates!  Pfft some democracy.  So now it is my turn to laugh at every single democrat while they have a contested convention that will surely break apart their party. Meanwhile the republicans, who started with seventeen candidates and had a true democracy,  elected the outsider Donald Trump.  So I will take my "Republic" over your laughable "Democracy" any day.



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Jimbo1337 said:
padib said:
So why did Bernie not make it? He seemed to be the right candidate, the most level-headed.

He didn't make it because the primaries in the Democratic Party is rigged.  Yet you have people on here who laugh at the Republican Party and say that this is not a republic but a democracy.  

Bernie Sanders just recently stated that he has gained 45% of the pledged delegates and 7% of the superdelegates and called the whole system rigged as well.  The superdelegates are PLEO or Pledged Leaders and Elected Officials.  That means that current and prior people in the Senate, Governors, House of Representatives, Congressman, former Presidents, former Vice Presidents etc get to vote for their candidate of choice.  I believe there are some 800 superdelegates depending on how many people live/die.  So now you have Hillary Clinton (an elite) versus Bernie Sanders (outsider) in a proportional based pledged delegate system with a winner take all superdelegate system.  Of course these PLEOs will and forever vote for the insider as opposed to the outsider each and every time.  That is not to say that you wont have some superdelegates vote for the outsider.  I don't know if this is always true, but I did see that the governor of Hawaii had to step down from her position if she was to vote for Bernie Sanders.  That is why the entire system is rigged because no candidate can beat Hillary Clinton if she starts out with 800 delegates out of the necessary 2400 delegates to win the primary and be the democratic nominee.  But of course they didn't want to give all of the superdelegates to Hillary right away because then things would look really really rigged.  So they dribbled in some superdelegates in the beginning to give her a push so as to ensure she wins the majority of the pledged delegates going forward.  Here is the "little" push that I am talking about:

At the very beginning of the race, only two states had voted.  Those two states were Iowa and New Hampshire.  Bernie Sanders tied Hillary Clinton in Iowa and CRUSHED Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire.  One would look at that and say that Bernie Sanders must be winning in the delegate count.  But this is where your great democracy on the democratic side came into play.  Bernie Sanders had 44 delegates (I believe) after those two states while HIllary Clinton had 394 delegates!  Pfft some democracy.  So now it is my turn to laugh at every single democrat while they have a contested convention that will surely break apart their party. Meanwhile the republicans, who started with seventeen candidates and had a true democracy,  elected the outsider Donald Trump.  So I will take my "Republic" over your laughable "Democracy" any day.

You do know he's Canadian?

As for the point you were making, while the democratic party does have superdelagates, in 2008 when the media was reporting delagate count they counted them right along with the pledged delagates, this year they hold off mentioning the superdalates in reports until after they mention the other count.

As for the republican system it varies widely state to state, but many are winner take all, even if the winner doesn't get over half the votes. So Trump got all the delages for some states even if over 60% of the voters didn't vote for him. If it had been a more proportional system the whole time, Trump might have been stopped. If the democrats had the winner take all system in the same states the republicans do, Hilary would already have won the democratic primary.



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i am not american
for the good of the word : both are bad
for fun : trump



I probably won't vote in general election. Don't like either and don't like the electoral college.  Rather see just popular vote for Presidential election.  They say your vote counts but if your state votes for other party then your vote doesn't count.  A vote for anyone not Republican in Texas for the Presidential election is like not voting at all.



taikamya said:
RolStoppable said:
Trump, because he is a man.

Now that's a good reason to vote for someone.

A conservative man who preaches about religion and against scientific development. Yay! Dark ages, here we go! (Again)

I've heard Trump say many things, but religious or anti-science, not so much. Now Cruz, yes, that would be true of that guy, but I can't attribute that to Trump.  



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Bernie or bust! These candidates are a joke. Bernie is a good guy that actually cares for others. What many don't understand is he does not want to give handouts, he wants to reallocate taxes to roadways, education, and healthcare (Really should be basic human rights anyhow) rather than towards wars and military spending. Having a defensive military and cutting that spending by the amount that Bernie wants to would STILL leave America with the largest military in the world. I personally would prefer our taxes go towards bettering our people and keeping them alive, not only that, Bernie helped Vermont immensely while he was there, and could definitely help this country move in the right direction.

Hillary is a flat out liar, being investigated by our own FBI because she doesn't understand what the word "confidential" means. And Trump is a celebrity who knows nothing about government or how to keep peace, we will be blown to smithereens in probably about 6 months if he becomes president.



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