Yes it will be more relevant than the PS4 NEO. It is getting a HUGE Zelda game at launch, easy to port to for 3rd party, and I am sure holiday 2017 Ninty will be rolling out first party big guns.

I am not saying it will outsell all the PS4 skus combined, but it will put Nintendo back on the map and in a profitable stance once again. I predict it will do AT LEAST as well as the X1 (and all its skus) lifetime.

The "new" gamers the Wii created were casual gamers.

A lot of Wii owners owned a PS3/360 anyway, it's not like there was no overlap between 100 million Wii owners and 180 million PS3/360 owners. That audience that owned a Wii + PS3 or 360 didn't "move" anywhere, they just chose to dump the Wii brand but they already had PS3/360 last gen. They got their casual fill on the Wii but they were already playing their CODs/GTAs/Maddens on their 360/PS3.

I seriously, seriously doubt there are many people who got introduced to gaming via Wii Sports and had Wii as their only console last gen and are now hardcore Bloodborne players or something.

Most of the "new" audience the Wii attracted were women and seniors, the women migrated over to their smartphones, the seniors are probably dead, lol.

LMAO who wants to take bets?!

The PS4 has another 60+ million sales ahead of it and I am guessing around half will be the PS4K if it is $399.

Out of the millions of families that bought a Wii, you make it sound like almost none of them had kids.  Literally millions of childen got their start in gaming on the Wii.  I can't even imagine how that can be discounted.  There is no way you can shove all the Wii players into one or two categories, there are far, far too many for that.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree because I fully believe there were a good number of former Wii owners up for grabs at the start of this generation.  So did Sony, it would seem.

While much of the console's success is down to the early adoption by core gamers, Sony Computer Entertainment boss Andrew House told Eurogamer at the Develop conference in Brighton that there is a huge opportunity to attract those who bought a Wii but not a PS3 or Xbox 360 - in fact it's already happening.

While the PS3 and Xbox 360 were successful consoles, shifting around 80m units each, the Wii was the standout winner of the last generation, selling over 100m consoles worldwide.

"Our big opportunity is to welcome back an audience much earlier in the lifecycle that possibly bought into the Wii previously," House said.

"Whether it's based on this is a really good all-round entertainment device for a family in addition to having great games, our consumer data suggests some of those people are already coming in now and that's what's contributing to the really great sales we've had."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-15-sony-ps4-targeting-wii-owners-who-skipped-ps3-and-xbox-360

Nintendo having kids when they're in the 6-10 year old age range and then losing them when they get into their teen years is hardly a phenemon specific to the Wii, that's been happening to Nintendo for a long time, once kids get to age 11-13 (boys in particular) they become more fixated on violent video games like GTA and COD.

The Wii was primarily driven by adult hipster types, that was ironically the crux of its success, driven by older players, but these players, Nintendo lost to Apple and Google.

Smart devices hurt Nintendo more than Sony/MS ever could, I'm sure if Nintendo had the choice they would dearly love to back to the days before iPhone ever existed.

Lapsed/lost Wii gamers are more likely playing Candy Crush than Street Fighter V.

That was part of the problem with the Wii too, this whole notion that someone who enjoys Wii Sports would eventually start to crave very complex, "hardcore" video games didn't really even pan out on the Wii itself. People who liked Wii Fit didn't suddenly start playing Zelda: Skyward Sword or Sin & Punishment 2 or Metroid Prime 3 ... those games basically sold more or less the same they would have on a GameCube type platform. Mario Kart and 2D Mario were the real winners as "bridge" titles, but those are inherintely casual friendly franchises to begin with.

The OP's conjecture is pretty much irrelevant. What is relevant is how NX will be compared to PS4 as a whole.

And if NX releases at a price similar to PS4 then it's raw power will be more or less the same. Nintendo can't magically release gaming hardware that is similar in price but substantially more powerful. It's possible that in raw power NX and PS4 neo will be roughly the same (and the same price).

What's meant by outdated engineering? Are we expecting NX to run on something other than standard chipsets and contemporary architecture? The only possibly outdated engineering would be the presence of a Blu-ray drive. NX could go DL only + streaming and not have the capacity to use any form of physical media. But that alienates a still large segment of the gamer community.

It's both a handheld and a home console? Mashing those two modes together isn't new engineering. It's good for one product to appeal to two market segments, especially since Nintendo is still the only game in town when it comes to handheld consoles. As long as the handheld market feels like its getting what it wants from NX then you can pretty much put a line under 40 million in sales and call that the minimum. But telling the handheld market they have to pay home console price for their handheld fix might be problematic. Nintendo charged a home console price for 3DS, and that caused them problems.

Well, I guess I'll shoot Andrew an email and let him know his consumer data is wrong and that the millions of people who had a Wii are all clones and the fractured fanbase only went in one direction.  He's going to be crushed.

Personally, I think typecasting tens of millions of people, including families with multiple children, is kind of ridiculous.

Hmm. I agree that NX will be more relevant than the PS4 Neo (if it's truly exists) but not the PS4. Nintendo should just focus on making as many games that it can that it's fans actually want instead of dicking around with gimmicks or something "innovative". People buy consoles to play games.

I think it's highly likely that PS4+Xb one LTD ends up equal to or less than PS3+X360 LTD. So that kind of begs the question whether any more than a relative handful who only had a Wii last gen have jumped across to PS4. I think it's more likely that Wii owners who went PS4 this gen actually made an intermediate jump to PS3, or, more likely, 360 (with Kinect) late in the 7th gen. Last gen went long enough that kids who got Wii at 8-11 years old would have been able to convinve their parent to get them a PS3 or 360 because enough time had passed without the generation coming to an end. At least half of the people (IMO, based on no actual data) who bought Wii have completely exited the console scene. 

Yeah I agree. The PS4-XB1 audience will likely be about the same size as the PS3-360 ... just with Sony getting a jump on MS this team and eating the 360 audience.

I know plenty of 360 owners who have a PS4 instead this gen. But Wii ... that was huge for my demographic (20+ years old) of people who owned a Wii *only* none of them have bought any kind of a console, I even tried to bring a few of them over and we played Wii U together and they enjoyed it generally ... but buy another console?

Nope.

Wii was a one time/once in a lifetime type craze, I think people just need to accept that. Trying to create/or channel the Wii is akin to saying "lets make a new Pokemon" or "lets take that Pokemon audience" in a long term sense is ... not happening.