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Will Quantum Break outsell (lifetime on Xbox One) The Order: 1886?

Yes 154 36.58%
 
No 167 39.67%
 
Too close to call 54 12.83%
 
See results 46 10.93%
 
Total:421
Aerys on 06 April 2016
barneystinson69 said:
GribbleGrunger said:

I have to ask: considering Quantum Break is as short as The Order, where are all the articles about this? It just goes to show how the media either get behind a title or not and the reason I take absolutely no notice of them, and neither should you.

The order was around 6 hours with cutscene's, and had terrible replay value. QB is short, but its still around 10hrs with everything from what I've heard, and has far better replay value. Will be trying it out today.

Nop, The Order is 7h with cutscenes.

Quantum Break is 8h30 with cutscenes ( knowing that out game cutscenes already take 1h30)

 

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So pretty much thé same length, gribble is right 



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Aerys on 06 April 2016
walsufnir said:
The Order didn't get good reviews because it wasn't a good game.
And the game got hit because of its length because people questioned that it is that short. This resulted in people on GAF saying “it took me ten hours because I've taken my time with it“ while there was a complete and legit YouTube walkthrough showing everything and showed how short it really is.
But the length wasn't the only problem of the order, but one of the issues that most talked about because it was a discussion where one side had facts and the other side had an opinion.

Funny because there is thé same YouTube fact for Quantum Break, i can link you someone who finished thé game in 6h ( counting cinematics and épisodes ), without rushing, but like you said, people have a différent opinion on thé matter, while the fact shows the game can be finished in 6h.



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

Mr Puggsly on 06 April 2016
Aerys said:
walsufnir said:
The Order didn't get good reviews because it wasn't a good game.
And the game got hit because of its length because people questioned that it is that short. This resulted in people on GAF saying “it took me ten hours because I've taken my time with it“ while there was a complete and legit YouTube walkthrough showing everything and showed how short it really is.
But the length wasn't the only problem of the order, but one of the issues that most talked about because it was a discussion where one side had facts and the other side had an opinion

Funny because there is thé same YouTube fact for Quantum Break, i can link you someone who finished thé game in 6h ( counting cinematics and épisodes ), without rushing, but like you said, people have a différent opinion on thé matter, while the fact shows the game can be finished in 6h.

If you rush through QB, I imagine it can be finished in 6 hours. But you would miss alot of upgrades, hidden items, etc. Some of which seems to play a role in the story. 

In The Order, you just keep moving foward with little need for exploration and no gain from it. Its a very linear game, combat feels very scripted, no story choices either. So thats where the two differ in content and replay value.

Hence, your first playthrough of QB shouldnt be 6-7 hours because youre skipping a lot in my opinion, its an interesting world to take in. Your first playthrough of The Order should be about 6-7 hours due to lack of content and little to explore.



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Mr Puggsly on 06 April 2016
Aerys said:
barneystinson69 said:

The order was around 6 hours with cutscene's, and had terrible replay value. QB is short, but its still around 10hrs with everything from what I've heard, and has far better replay value. Will be trying it out today.

Nop, The Order is 7h with cutscenes.

Quantum Break is 8h30 with cutscenes ( knowing that out game cutscenes already take 1h30)

 

Source : Howlongtobeat

 

So pretty much thé same length, gribble is right 

Yeah... HLTB isnt always reliable.

They also say MGS4 is about 20 hours when most people claim to finish it in 12 to 14.



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binary solo on 06 April 2016
KiigelHeart said:
If people would play Quantum Break they would stop with The Order comparisons I think. I haven't played TO and I'm not suggesting it's a bad game but QB..forget about it. The game I a masterpiece and will most likely be loved by people experiencing it. Not sure if it'll help sales though.

Say what you will about metascores, but its extremely rare for a game to meta in the 70s and for it to be widely regarded as a masterpiece. You are entitled to that opinion for yourself of course. But in terms of the extent to which the general gamer reception will lead to word of mouth sales, it's highly doubtful that the effect will be that of a masterpiece game. I expect it will get generally positive word of mouth, but it seems unlikely that it will have too many people calling it a must have game.



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binary solo on 06 April 2016
Blob said:
GribbleGrunger said:

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with shorter games, It's just striking that the reviews docked it points for being short, there were dozens and dozens of articles and you couldn't go in a single The Order thread without it being full of 'games too short' comments. The Order was destroyed by the media but clearly they want this game to be successful, which it likely deserves of course.

 

So my playthrough of the order on hard was 5 and a half hours. My playthrough of quantom break on normal was 9 hours and 50 minutes. While almost ten hours is on the shorter side, there is short, and then there's the order...  

I made my playthrough longer by a) not being all that good and hence dying more than others probably did, and b) forgetting that bullet time (or whatever it was called in The Order) existed, which made some of the set piece fights a lot harder (with more deaths) than they needed to be. Actually if RaD hadn't bothered with that bullet time cop out for the game the average play time on hard would have probably been 2 hours longer, which would have lessened (but not eliminated) the complaints. The fact that I 9being only an average skilled gamer) finished the game on hard having never once used bullet time proves that the game was not difficult enough to need bullet time, and all bullet time did was shorten the plays through by making it easier to get through the tougher fights. When you consider a game like Red Dead Redemption where for some segments it's impossible to get through a fight (or shoot down the birds) without bullet time to save yo' arse, if developers are going to use bullet time as a gameplay feature they need to make sure it's not possible to complete the game without it, IMO.



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Mr Puggsly on 06 April 2016
binary solo said:
KiigelHeart said:
If people would play Quantum Break they would stop with The Order comparisons I think. I haven't played TO and I'm not suggesting it's a bad game but QB..forget about it. The game I a masterpiece and will most likely be loved by people experiencing it. Not sure if it'll help sales though.

Say what you will about metascores, but its extremely rare for a game to meta in the 70s and for it to be widely regarded as a masterpiece. You are entitled to that opinion for yourself of course. But in terms of the extent to which the general gamer reception will lead to word of mouth sales, it's highly doubtful that the effect will be that of a masterpiece game. I expect it will get generally positive word of mouth, but it seems unlikely that it will have too many people calling it a must have game.

Calling a game a masterpiece is silly, the only game that deserves that title is Super Mario World.

But I do believe Quantum Break is going to be remembered as something great even if a few reviews kept it from an 80.

Some games sometimes get amazing metascores but arent remembered too fondly. Such as GTAIV and Killzone 2.



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Mr Puggsly on 06 April 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
QB meta might have been lower than expected, but were talking like 2-7 points off where a lot predicted. The Order on the other hand was a complete dud and was way lower than expected. I agree with people saying the comparison doesn't make sense.

Yeah, developers and Sony wish The Order had a review score as disappointing as QB.

I think comparing the sales of the two games is fine given both are story driven TPS games. But I feel like this more about bragging rights. Who cares if The Order sells better? It got there on undeserved hype.



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binary solo on 06 April 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
binary solo said:

Say what you will about metascores, but its extremely rare for a game to meta in the 70s and for it to be widely regarded as a masterpiece. You are entitled to that opinion for yourself of course. But in terms of the extent to which the general gamer reception will lead to word of mouth sales, it's highly doubtful that the effect will be that of a masterpiece game. I expect it will get generally positive word of mouth, but it seems unlikely that it will have too many people calling it a must have game.

Calling a game a masterpiece is silly, the only game that deserves that title is Super Mario World.

But I do believe Quantum Break is going to be remembered as something great even if a few reviews kept it from an 80.

Some games sometimes get amazing metascores but arent remembered too fondly. Such as GTAIV and Killzone 2.

Yes I can see it being like that. But the key it sales sucess, like pretty much every Xb one game, is how it will do in the USA.



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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

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walsufnir on 07 April 2016
Aerys said:
walsufnir said:
The Order didn't get good reviews because it wasn't a good game.
And the game got hit because of its length because people questioned that it is that short. This resulted in people on GAF saying “it took me ten hours because I've taken my time with it“ while there was a complete and legit YouTube walkthrough showing everything and showed how short it really is.
But the length wasn't the only problem of the order, but one of the issues that most talked about because it was a discussion where one side had facts and the other side had an opinion.

Funny because there is thé same YouTube fact for Quantum Break, i can link you someone who finished thé game in 6h ( counting cinematics and épisodes ), without rushing, but like you said, people have a différent opinion on thé matter, while the fact shows the game can be finished in 6h.

So where are the numerous facts that happened with The Order for QB and the many different people arguing the length? The situation isn't even close, in my opinion.