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SvennoJ said:


And no, having a shower with a friend is not consent to sex. 

And handing a mentally ill person a loaded gun is not consent for them to shoot you, but it's stupid idea.



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only777 said:
SvennoJ said:


And no, having a shower with a friend is not consent to sex. 

And handing a mentally ill person a loaded gun is not consent for them to shoot you, but it's stupid idea.

So you're saying men are mentally ill and can't control themselves around a naked female? :p
But yeah, it was a stupid idea. Sadly many men (and females too I bet) still don't no what No means.





It may look dodgy, especially seeing that she is an anti rape activist, but it's very possible that this is exactly what happened.

I know people who have been raped and in none of those cases was it a total stranger. They were all friends or acquaintances. In one case a very long time friend. This lines up with general rape statistics as well.

No, kissing and getting into a shower with someone is not an invitation for sex or implied consent. Also it doesn't matter if the other peron is a stranger, friend, partner or spouse. It is consent to a shower, nothing more, nothing less.

Also, to the people saying it's unthinkable for someone to share a shower and not want to have sex, it's not. I've done it many times, for various reasons. I would have been horrified if one of my partners had tried to force themselves on me.
Maybe she just wanted to get clean and it seemed practical at the time, maybe she had a certain innocence and level of trust about sharing a shower with this person, maybe she wanted the comfort and intimacy of a shared shower, but in no way wanted sex.

And even if she might have wanted sex before things got serious and changed her mind, that's her right. People are allowed to change their minds, that does not give you permission to rape them.

Simple rule, if someone says 'No', stop. If someone seems uncomfortable , not into it, or in pain, stop and ask them if they're all right and if you should stop.
That should not be too much to ask of anyone you're sharing that level of intimacy with.



this has to be a joke... there's no way someone is this fucking stupid



She's an anti-rape activist and was "promoting a Stop rape campaign in South Africa", and "live blog" a rape? Coincidence ?



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Faelco said:

She's an anti-rape activist and was "promoting a Stop rape campaign in South Africa", and "live blog" a rape? Coincidence ?

Then she invites a guy to her room, kisses him and gets into a shower naked with him...

next thing you know shes posting pictures on instagram?

 

Sorry if im skeptical.. but this sounds abit odd to say the least.

Wouldnt be surprised if she had consenting sex with someone just so she could go cry rape, which honestly sounds more likely.

 

If true I feel bad for the dude, this stuff happends way to often too.





PerturbedKitty said:
SvennoJ said:
only777 said:

Girl kisses guy, gets naked with guy, has shower with guy. Then says she was raped by guy.

Has device that can phone police. Goes on Instagram instead.  

Seems legit.

I'm not sure what you are insinuating.  Having a shower with a friend is not consenting to sex. Most rapes happen when things go too far, it is still rape.
I would not be comfortable calling the south african police either in her position. But that might just be my skewed view of that region of the world.

would you get into a shower naked with someone if you didnt intend to have sex with them? or would your better judgement tell you it isnt a good idea?



Is it likely the guy will get the wrong idea from showering together? Yes. Does it mean that after initiating sexual contact and being told no that he has a right to carry on and rape her? No. She's still the victim of a sex crime and that's all there is to it. When a woman says no then it doesn't matter what has happened before you stop. The lack of wisdom of her actions does not cancel out the fact that she was raped, assuming the story as she tells it is the truth, which we have know way of verifying, but we should not automatically leap to the conclusion she's a lying slapper. From the position we're in we should allow that her version of events may be true and let the police and the courts investigate and come to a legal conclusion on the matter.





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only777 said:
SvennoJ said:


And no, having a shower with a friend is not consent to sex. 

And handing a mentally ill person a loaded gun is not consent for them to shoot you, but it's stupid idea.

Are you saying men become mentally incompetent when they come face to face with a real live naked woman?





“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

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The reason she posted the rape on instagram first is because she runs an instagram that focuses on empowering women to be brave enough to speak out when they are sexually harassed and/or abused; an instagram she started because she was raped as a child and wanted to use her tragedy as a platform for change and strength. She was capturing a moment and making a statement. The longer she waited, the weaker the statement and less real the moment.

She felt it would be hypocritical of her to be such an activist about this topic with a social platform specifically created for this type of message, and then not do something so drastic now that she was put into such a situation.

And are you fucking kidding?! Dodgy? Do you even understand what rape is? Do you understand how consent works? Do you even understand what happened? Did you even read the post?

She said stop and he continued. Worse - he got violent. End of story. Nothing dodgy. It's rape. It doesn't matter if they were in the shower, on the floor, or in the middle of fucking doggy style. As soon as one person stops consenting and the other person continues anyway, it's rape. She consented to getting into the shower with him. She did not consent to being forced to her knees. If she said stop and he actually stopped, it wouldn't have been rape, but a misunderstanding that was immediately clarified. But that's not what happened. She said stop and he got violent. She said stop again and he started having sex with her. She started to cry and he kept going. She passed out, woke up again, saw him trying to sneak out, got caught, and then was "finished off" by him.

That's not dodgy. That is rape.

The only people not looking at the information she posted are people like you. I literally can't believe this is even being debated.



Why would someone go to Instagram when they've been raped?