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oniyide said:
Versus_Evil said:

 

His answers probably on a site hes decided to boycott so youll have to get it yourself XD hes a joke, dont know why you bother with him.

oh, im just having fun



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oniyide said:
AsGryffynn said:

No. All of them are set for 2016 and those for this year are digital only or first party... but why is it a problem when I answered your question, or are you telling me that Titanfall's success in the XONE is the Xbox 360 and PC's doing?



 

No the problem is you wont answer my question. I asked for an Xbox ONE exclusive, not timed, not on PC. Exclusive. I'm patient

Any? GoW Ultimate?

Thing is, all third party exclusives are TBA as of this year. There only 6 or so released so far and I can't find numbers for them, exceptions are the Kinect games that will naturally sell like crap? You're just picking something to suit YOUR argument.

Versus_Evil said:
oniyide said:

 

No the problem is you wont answer my question. I asked for an Xbox ONE exclusive, not timed, not on PC. Exclusive. I'm patient

 

His answers probably on a site hes decided to boycott so youll have to get it yourself XD hes a joke, dont know why you bother with him.

I decide to boycott a lot of stuff, but no sites are involved in this. I am dealing with a bunch of Xbox bashing brats though, no surprise there...

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
oniyide said:

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Kinect games don't count.

And for acting picky...

http://www.nowgamer.com/why-dead-rising-3-is-an-xbox-one-exclusive-capcom-vancouver/

It was a exclusive. Not a timed one. Capcom decided to release it on PC after a year.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-08-dead-rising-3-sales-rise-to-1-2m-as-capcom-enjoys-profit-boost

It had sold a lot before the port was announced...

 



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    Rise of the Tomb Raider is showing some great legs in UK



    @AsGryffyn lmao. TBA? thats the worst argument ive heard in a while. And DR3 is on PC so its not exclusive, doesnt matter when it came out. And if Capcom decided to put it on PC it probably didnt do so hot on xone, at least not as much as they wanted.

    And I didnt cherry pick anything. I said a 3rd party exclusive that was only on Xbox ONE. If you cant just say you cant, but throwing timed exclusives is just blatant lying.



    Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
    oniyide said:

    oh, im just having fun



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    we were talking more of 3rd party exclusives, that did well





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    oniyide said:
    @AsGryffyn lmao. TBA? thats the worst argument ive heard in a while. And DR3 is on PC so its not exclusive, doesnt matter when it came out. And if Capcom decided to put it on PC it probably didnt do so hot on xone, at least not as much as they wanted.

    And I didnt cherry pick anything. I said a 3rd party exclusive that was only on Xbox ONE. If you cant just say you cant, but throwing timed exclusives is just blatant lying.

    You might say that for every game out there, but what kept them from the PS4? Also, they reported it positively and AS profit...

    Not to mention that the original argument was this one...

    oniyide said:
    AsGryffynn said:

    They deserve them. I already cited the reasons. The competition doing better is not related to how good the system is...



    dont matter how good the system is, if it dont have th sales to support an exclusive it doesnt matter.



    Me: But it does have them, just not this exclusive...

    I explicitly mentioned this one, a timed exclusive and you never specified which exclusives. You shifted the goal post to limit me to games that are either unreleased or are first party.
    Capcom was positive, and there was no spinning involved, since they released the game exclusively on their own volition. And they mentioned the ones that did negatively. Also...
    Third best selling Dead Rising game. What it did before the announcement was only 200,000 sales behind what the series does in a single console and the gap has closed recently... And that was when the Xbox One was struggling to sell since it was more expensive than the PS4...

    It did well regardless of your views on it. Capcom reported their flops and it did not flop, according to them.

    To add insult to the injury, the only third party so far that we have sales information for, Sunset Overdrive, sold nicely compared to what Insomniac Games sell (Insomniac hasn't created a good game in years...



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      AsGryffynn said:
      oniyide said:
      @AsGryffyn lmao. TBA? thats the worst argument ive heard in a while. And DR3 is on PC so its not exclusive, doesnt matter when it came out. And if Capcom decided to put it on PC it probably didnt do so hot on xone, at least not as much as they wanted.

      And I didnt cherry pick anything. I said a 3rd party exclusive that was only on Xbox ONE. If you cant just say you cant, but throwing timed exclusives is just blatant lying.

      You might say that for every game out there, but what kept them from the PS4? Also, they reported it positively and AS profit...

      Not to mention that the original argument was this one...

      dont matter how good the system is, if it dont have th sales to support an exclusive it doesnt matter.



      Me: But it does have them, just not this exclusive...

      I explicitly mentioned this one, a timed exclusive and you never specified which exclusives. You shifted the goal post to limit me to games that are either unreleased or are first party.
      Capcom was positive, and there was no spinning involved, since they released the game exclusively on their own volition. And they mentioned the ones that did negatively. Also...
      Third best selling Dead Rising game. What it did before the announcement was only 200,000 sales behind what the series does in a single console and the gap has closed recently... And that was when the Xbox One was struggling to sell since it was more expensive than the PS4...

      It did well regardless of your views on it. Capcom reported their flops and it did not flop, according to them.

       

      1. excluding or not admitting other things.
        "my exclusive focus is on San Antonio issues"
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      2. 2.
        restricted or limited to the person, group, or area concerned.
        "the couple had exclusive possession of the condo"
        synonyms: soleunshareduniqueonlyindividualpersonalprivate
        "a room for your exclusive use"

       

      your still avoiding my question as you still havent named me an actual exclusive. And even if that was my original argument (way to duck my question) thats one game. (which isnt even exclusive) which is an exception and not a rule, where are the rest of these 3rd party xbox one exclusive games then.

      oh and can you give me an actual exclusive game.



      oniyide said:
      AsGryffynn said:
    • 2.
      restricted or limited to the person, group, or area concerned.
      "the couple had exclusive possession of the condo"
      synonyms: soleunshareduniqueonlyindividualpersonalprivate
      "a room for your exclusive use"
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      your still avoiding my question as you still havent named me an actual exclusive. And even if that was my original argument (way to duck my question) thats one game. (which isnt even exclusive) which is an exception and not a rule, where are the rest of these 3rd party xbox one exclusive games then.

      oh and can you give me an actual exclusive game.

       



      If we are arguing semantics, then know that when people say exclusive, they refer to "console exclusives" unless they are changing the argument to suit themselves.

      And I did... Dead Rising 3 was an exclusive that sold 1.2 million. Quantum Break is an exclusive for 2016 and Halo MCC is a current one.

      If you want third party exclusives that remain exclusive and are not available on other consoles, you're out of luck unless you shove that cherry picking of yours. Why? Because under your definition, the PS4 has none either (even Bloodborne was a coop game developed on request).

      So this argument was moot from the start. So far, no console warrants a third party exclusive or has one that is worth it.



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        Mr Puggsly said:
        Hiku said:

        There were digital sales for the first Tomb Raider as well. We only go by what we know, and unless there's a specific reason to think that one game would have had significantly more digital sales than the other, sales for this game are not looking good at the moment compared to the last game, and considering the budget this game probably has. (Square were still complaining about sales not meeting expectation for the previous game when they were over 4 million.)

        As for the GTA IV DLC, you're actually not clarifying what you mean, you're just pointing it out, and that's why I'm asking why selling 1,25 million at $20 each digitally would not cover the 50m loan from MS, if MS takes the full share of the sales up until that point, as it was speculated that they did? What takes away from the profit of digital sales, besides the cost of bandwith?

        Tomb Raider wasn't day one digital (not on 360). Also, digital sales of $60 titles was likely lower on last gen.

        Again with this Square was complaining about sales? Again, it failed to be profitable in a matter of weeks. Square's expectations were ridiculously high for the reboot but the game was still profitable the same year it released. People don't know that minor detail, it was still a profitable game in spite of not meeting expectations.

        Common sense tells me the expectations for this Tomb Raider were more realistic.

        Lets just not talk about GTAIV anymore. Bottom line 1.25 million sales is not gonna cover a $50 million loan. It just won't. More games would be insanely profitable if that was the case.

        Ah yeah, there was a 3 month delay until the digital version, so there's that.

        As for Square being disappointed, I'm refering to their comment one month after it released, when it had already reached 3.4 million units sold. That they were satisfied at the end of the year or later I have no doubt. But it is an interesting number for reference when comparing to the sales of the games after 1 month. It's safe to say that Square Enix expected less sales on Xbox consoles as opposed to sales on all platforms. But did they expect such a big drop on Xbox consoles compared to the sales on Xbox consoles for the last game? If November is an indication at least. I don't see why they would. The choice of release date asside, because I doubt they expected Fallout 4 and COD to release alongside it back when this deal was struck.

        Lets just not talk about GTAIV anymore. Bottom line 1.25 million sales is not gonna cover a $50 million loan. It just won't. More games would be insanely profitable if that was the case.

        I'm no longer asking because of GTAIV. I'm asking because I want to understand your reasoning behind this in a general sense for this business model, for future reference. It can apply to any digital game sales, so it's good to know. What factors takes away from the profits in this situation?

        We all know what takes away profits from physical copy sales. Logistics, printing and boxing, shipping, storage, retailer's cut, etc.
        But none of that applies to the example above.

        Regarding "More games would be insanely profitable if that was the case", in any other situation, Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft would take their cut of those sales, and we don't know how much that is. But in the example above, the situation was laid out as such that 100% of those sales would go into MS's pocket until they reached the sum of the loan.

        So again, what factors takes away from the profit of digital sales in general? It's a simple question.



        oniyide said:
        @asgryffyn
        "With that logic the XONE deserves no exclusives!"

        no one deserves anything. But even if they did no, xone doesnt deserve exclusives. Why would they? the PS4 has sold almost twice as much. WHy would a 3rd party that is somewhat intelligent put an exclusive on a system that has that much less potential buyers? they wouldnt unless they were getting money upfront or they are stupid

         

        If you think this way, even the Xbone userbase is too large to ignore sales on that system so PS4 also wouldn't get exclusives from 3rd party.