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Immersiveunreality on 27 October 2015
Machiavellian said:

mountaindewslave said:

 there is an utter lack of respect that parents are enabling to kids these days for authority. There are plenty of bad cops out there, but I hardly think this school cop was out of line for attempting to remove a girl from a classroom when asked to do so. she DID grab onto her desk when he touched her and made the whole thing much worse

So you are saying because she grab the desk, he was in the right to put her in a rear choke hold, pick the desk up, slam her to the ground, then pick her up and toss her a couple yards away like he did.  So if this was your daughter, wife, mom, sister you believe this would be ok for a non-violent situation.  

Just so I am hearing you right, you believe there isn't a limit to what a cop should be able to do for non-violent situations and they should be allowed to do whatever it takes to "get the job done".

 Also just want to be sure, as a parent, you would be ok about with this situation if you or your wife was not notified first and allowed the chance to correct this situation before the cop decided he needed to use force.

Last but not least, just because a teen decide to be a stubborn ass, why would the natural ideal be that its the parent fault.  So are you saying that kids from good parents never act this way, because stubborn ass or rebellious ect.

Slam her into the ground?

Did you watch this vid at 10 X speed ,cause im not seeing anyone slamming into the ground?

Too much assumptions and hallucinations in this thread.



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ps3-sales! on 27 October 2015

Don't jump to conclusions. We don't know how it starts IE what the girl said, what they did, why the cop was wresting her to the ground, how many times the cop asked her to come with him.



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method114 on 27 October 2015
LivingMetal said:
TheBlackNaruto said:


Knowing the whole story about her chewing gum and being asked to spit it out and refusing to leave the class room. There are quite a few alternatives. Calling her parents or legal gurdian when she refused to comply or having the principle or vice principle call. Go forward with class and suspend the student for the conduct afterwards. Just two things that could have happened. But to have her put in a choke hold, then flipped over, then snatched from teh desk and flung across the class by a grown man.....no there is no justification in this at all.


And there's no justification for her not obeying if it were such a trival matter to begin with.  Because she disobeyed all forms of athority that were involved, it showed that she was the source of the problem.  And check my previous post.  She was in the wrong.  Period.


Of course she's in the wrong no one saying what this girl did is right. Slamming a child on to the floor and putting other kids in danger (her desk and leg almost flew back and hit the child behind her) is not the way to handle it drag the desk outside if she wont leave. I've seen it done before. There are so many ways to handle this that don't involve viciously throwing this girl around. This cop has been involved in two previous lawsuits already. He goes to court for the second one in January. Keep defending him though.



method114 on 27 October 2015
LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

Easy, you wait unit the parents get their and then escort her out.  If we are still playing stay in the chair you get multiple officers to hold her down in the chair cuff her and remove her but everything done with the PARENTS there.  As long as the situation stays non-violent there is never a need to use it.  Also demostrating this with all of the kids in the classroom was not neccessary.  


What if the parents cannot get there before the end of the period or the end of school depending on the time of day?  And what if the student defies the parents?


You keep throwing these "what if" scenarios like it matters. What matters is this cop took it fom 0 to 100 way to quickly. Let's see him try all the other things that have been mentioned here first then we can talk about what he should have done. I don't want cops taking things to a violent level because they  just assume it's the only way to solve things. That's a horrible way to look at things.



Machiavellian on 27 October 2015
LivingMetal said:

All of us want a non-violent end to everything.  But that is NOT the reality we live in.  Sometimes violence happen because people provoke it such as this student.  The cop tried escorting her by the arm.  The more she pushed (resisted), the more the cop had to push back.  Plain and simple.  She started the violence by resisting.  Go ask her why it ended that way.

If a non-violent situation has to result in a violent outcome then we as parents need to change that situation.  Why as a parent would I accept such a reality since I have the means to stand up and change it.  You are right, violence does happen just like this situation and as a parent I would make sure that never happen again.

What you are saying does not make sense to me. Its as if you are saying this is the world we live in so just accept it.  As a parent it would be my duty to make sure this cop and no other cop ever enter another high school without being properly trained to handle such situation.  There is never a case where a cop should be allowed to use such force in a non-violent situation and the reality is that we as a people can make sure such results never happen.  Why as a parent would I want my tax dollars to support this type of police brutality in my school district.  Never!!  

You can believe the next PTA and school board meeting we will be discussing this issue and as a parent I will make sure this outcome never occurs in the schools my 3 kids attend.

At BOLDED:  Maybe if someone asked the girl why she was behaving the way she was in the first place then we would not have to ask her about the results. You do know cops have handled non-violent arrest a hell of a lot better than this on many occasions because we as a people have raised awareness of such situations and did not stand for it.  Maybe this day and age people just accept crap and say this is the world we live in so just accept it.



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Lawlight on 27 October 2015
method114 said:
LivingMetal said:


What if the parents cannot get there before the end of the period or the end of school depending on the time of day?  And what if the student defies the parents?


You keep throwing these "what if" scenarios like it matters. What matters is this cop took it fom 0 to 100 way to quickly. Let's see him try all the other things that have been mentioned here first then we can talk about what he should have done. I don't want cops taking things to a violent level because they  just assume it's the only way to solve things. That's a horrible way to look at things.

0 to 100 too quickly? Did you see what happened before?



Machiavellian on 27 October 2015
LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

Then she stays in that seat!!!   Already answered the defy parent part.

You can why me to death but tell me why would their ever be a need for such a violent result for a non-violent situation.  Why do you feel that violence was the needed action for this situation and why would we not exhaust any non-violent scenarios before such force is ever needed.  The key is that the situation was never violent to ever need that result on a kid.

 


Then let every student execise their "right" to stay and/or go wherever they want and how they want to disrupt the fabric of civil society and parenting norms.  That's the pandora's box YOU are opening up.  And I never said violence was the only means that would have difused the situation.  It was the student that proved that the actions taken was at least one  viable solution.  Remember, she originaly resisted and continued to resist more and more.  It was all her.  And if you asked twenty people for non-violent solutions and received twenty different solutions, trying all twenty solutions in this case of reality goes beyond human reasoning and into the realm of insanity.  It will show how much students have control over the education system as they can manipulate rules and regulation to disrupt the flow of order and education in the public education system.  You wouldn't get anything done, thus defeating the purpose of an education system.

So let me ask you this, after looking at this video, hearing what happen before, during and after the results, are you ok with this happening again.  Is this the outcome you would accept to happen for any and all non-violent cases that happen at school that results in a police officer using this type of force.

At BOLDED:  So if i am guessing right because there are multiple different non-violent solutions we should not pursue them.  It looks to me as if you are saying we should not attempt the tougher solutions because the easy route gives us a quick solution to the problem.  In other words, the non-violent is the route that is tougher to do, with unknown results so why go that route when we can just use force to accomplish the task.  

So are you saying a trained cop, who understand how teens act and respond could not actually go to the girl and ask her simply why she is acting the way she is. Tell her without being meacing or threathing, to step outside and talk instead of demanding she get up and out of her seat.  From what I am getting from your post is that treating someone with respect first, trying to get to the problem instead of going straight to the solution is more effective in a school enviroment.  

An officer is no different in a school enviroment then a parent in such a situation.  Its always easy to just hit your kid when they do wrong then finding out why they did the wrong and correct the behavior.  I am not condoning force when used correctly, I am condoning force when it is used as the first option or is excessive for the situation.



LivingMetal on 27 October 2015
method114 said:
LivingMetal said:


And there's no justification for her not obeying if it were such a trival matter to begin with.  Because she disobeyed all forms of athority that were involved, it showed that she was the source of the problem.  And check my previous post.  She was in the wrong.  Period.


Of course she's in the wrong no one saying what this girl did is right. Slamming a child on to the floor and putting other kids in danger (her desk and leg almost flew back and hit the child behind her) is not the way to handle it drag the desk outside if she wont leave. I've seen it done before. There are so many ways to handle this that don't involve viciously throwing this girl around. This cop has been involved in two previous lawsuits already. He goes to court for the second one in January. Keep defending him though.


You talk about not wanting to put more kids in danger yet you say that the girl should have been dragged out the door with the desk???  That colud have put more kids in danger, and it also could have harmed the girl even more.  The longer she stayed in that desk while resisting could have put her more at risk and those around her.  She could have started grabbing other students and desks to prevent her from being dragged into the hallway, for example.  All you're doing is creating hypotheical scenarios to narrowly play out the way YOU want.  It's also called living in a fantasy or a bubble as you will.  No one is saying that another course of action could not have ended better.  But you CANNOT say for certainty that how you though it should have been handled would have ended non-violently.  There is NO WAY you would have known.



Lawlight on 27 October 2015

Can a mod change the thread title to "student learns a lesson the harsh way"?



Aeolus451 on 27 October 2015
method114 said:
LivingMetal said:


What if the parents cannot get there before the end of the period or the end of school depending on the time of day?  And what if the student defies the parents?


You keep throwing these "what if" scenarios like it matters. What matters is this cop took it fom 0 to 100 way to quickly. Let's see him try all the other things that have been mentioned here first then we can talk about what he should have done. I don't want cops taking things to a violent level because they  just assume it's the only way to solve things. That's a horrible way to look at things.


He only dragged her from the desk to the floor so he could handcuff her after she refused to comply to him and the school. She only had to listen to the teacher in the first place, none of it would of happened. She had other chances to listen other school staff and the cop but yet she chose a violent path by refusing to listen.  The school is not her parents.  

Aren't you blowing things a tad bit out of proportion?