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Machiavellian on 27 October 2015
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LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

Then she stays in that seat!!!   Already answered the defy parent part.

You can why me to death but tell me why would their ever be a need for such a violent result for a non-violent situation.  Why do you feel that violence was the needed action for this situation and why would we not exhaust any non-violent scenarios before such force is ever needed.  The key is that the situation was never violent to ever need that result on a kid.

 


Then let every student execise their "right" to stay and/or go wherever they want and how they want to disrupt the fabric of civil society and parenting norms.  That's the pandora's box YOU are opening up.  And I never said violence was the only means that would have difused the situation.  It was the student that proved that the actions taken was at least one  viable solution.  Remember, she originaly resisted and continued to resist more and more.  It was all her.  And if you asked twenty people for non-violent solutions and received twenty different solutions, trying all twenty solutions in this case of reality goes beyond human reasoning and into the realm of insanity.  It will show how much students have control over the education system as they can manipulate rules and regulation to disrupt the flow of order and education in the public education system.  You wouldn't get anything done, thus defeating the purpose of an education system.

So let me ask you this, after looking at this video, hearing what happen before, during and after the results, are you ok with this happening again.  Is this the outcome you would accept to happen for any and all non-violent cases that happen at school that results in a police officer using this type of force.

At BOLDED:  So if i am guessing right because there are multiple different non-violent solutions we should not pursue them.  It looks to me as if you are saying we should not attempt the tougher solutions because the easy route gives us a quick solution to the problem.  In other words, the non-violent is the route that is tougher to do, with unknown results so why go that route when we can just use force to accomplish the task.  

So are you saying a trained cop, who understand how teens act and respond could not actually go to the girl and ask her simply why she is acting the way she is. Tell her without being meacing or threathing, to step outside and talk instead of demanding she get up and out of her seat.  From what I am getting from your post is that treating someone with respect first, trying to get to the problem instead of going straight to the solution is more effective in a school enviroment.  

An officer is no different in a school enviroment then a parent in such a situation.  Its always easy to just hit your kid when they do wrong then finding out why they did the wrong and correct the behavior.  I am not condoning force when used correctly, I am condoning force when it is used as the first option or is excessive for the situation.