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generic-user-1 said:
Sharu said:

Well, its a pity, but in 90-s/start of 2000s it was USA and EU who supported and financed muslim terrorists in Chechnia (calling them the rebels of course). And nuking USA/EU is not on the agenda of any sane man. 


we had to take revenge in someway! you gave us back eastern europe, thats wasnt nice...

Thats why we thought that Ukraine will be too big burden for a civilized men.

So we started taking it back. Starting from Crimea. You should be a bit happier now. )



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beeje13 said:
Mr.Playstation said:

This is totally different. Honestly it's insulting to Hungary and Poland and stating that refugees have a right to refuse help from these countries is just wrong and increases tension. If I were a refugee, I sure as hell wouldn't be refusing help from any countty.


The Refugees are mainly in the UN camps though and do not have ability/resources t travel thousands of miles across Europe. These are mainly migrants who are moving of their free will, so they do inherently have a choice. 


Yes and in that case, if I'm spending basically what life savings I have to get transport/train for me and my family to Europe, risking perhaps even our lives, walking for miles, starving for days ... I sure as hell am going to be 1000% motivated to get myself to the best possible end situation, and that means Germany or something not Hungary or Poland. 

It's an unfortunate situation, but in their shoes, I can't say I'd do any differently. 

Wanting to give your child the best possible situation is an inate human drive, people would walk to ends of the earth for it, they'd die for it and sadly that's some of what we are seeing. 

I can also say as someone who has the luxury of vacationing recently in Germany/Vienna, Austria and the Czech Republic, I can't imagine walking the distances these people are with children, some of the women are pregnant ... it's unbelievable. 



These people aren't coming here for a vacation or because they "felt like it", they're fleeing from war, terror, extremism, oppression, etc. They're leaving their whole lives behind for a dangerous, in many cases fatal, journey into unfamiliar lands, with no other personal properties except for what they could fit into a backpack. Access to clean water, food, medicine, means to take care of personal hygiene, etc. is in no way guaranteed. Some are old, crippled, sick; some are parents dragging their children along to hopefully find a safe place for them to live in, fully knowing that the children might get lost or die along the way; some are young ones desperately doing what they can to not let go of the hand that leads them.
I feel for these people and I want the European nations to do as much as possible for them.

It's not an optimal situation by any means and I'm sure most would agree (both Europeans and refugees) that it would be better if they could just continue to live their lives in their own countries. But with the current situation in the Middle-East that's just not possible and because of that we have these massive waves of refugees pouring into Europe. They have nowhere else to go. We can't really expect them to drop dead or vanish into thin air, can we? So what else can we do but to let them into Europe and make the best out of the situation.



Sharu said:
generic-user-1 said:


we had to take revenge in someway! you gave us back eastern europe, thats wasnt nice...

Thats why we thought that Ukraine will be too big burden for a civilized men.

So we started taking it back. Starting from Crimea. You should be a bit happier now. )

im still not happy, take eastern germany back too. and polen, we just want a 200km zone around the baltic sea, the baltic states and kaliningrad.



Looks like old Uncle Sam will have to go in and try to give the mid-east democracy again. The Europeans, Chinese, US, and Japan should form a coalition and go into Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Egypt and stabilize things. I don't care how they do it just stop ISIS from spreading.



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Looks like old Uncle Sam will have to go in and try to give the mid-east democracy again. The Europeans, Chinese, US, and Japan should form a coalition and go into Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Egypt and stabilize things. I don't care how they do it just stop ISIS from spreading.

Where's good old Iron Man when we need him so much...



MohammadBadir said:
Mr.Playstation said:

They should be sent back to their country, with much more secure transport, obviously. Fix your own country ( With the help of other countries ) rather than bringing your problem to other countries.

Can you tell me who made a mess of it (and the whole middle east, really) in the first place? >.<


I am generally not in favour of lots of immigration, but when people's homes are destroyed by extremists, do you really blame them for wanting to start better lives elsewhere? Plus, I'm 100% certain that most of these people would return to their country if given the chance to live in peace.

Gee, I dont know, maybe people that are actually shooting, beheading, burning their own people and blowing up their own cities? I'll tell you one thing, its not Hungary, Macedonia, Serbia and Greece, thats for sure

And Im sure they'd love to go back to war-torn Syria and leave behind the ridiculous benefits that Germany and Sweden offer them, even better than for their own citizens. LOL, they wouldn't go back there if you were to put them in a canon.

Here's the question tho, why dont 4  riches Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Bahrain take in some refugees? They have the same ethnicity (Arab), same religion (Islam) and mostly same culture and mentality, so intergration would be much better for them there



Being from Canada, I'm a bit out of touch here - so take what I say as having as little validity to it as you wish. I think we should be taking in as many as we can regardless of any economic burden. Everyone. My only condition would be so long as Sharia does not trump the laws of their refuge.



Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Looks like old Uncle Sam will have to go in and try to give the mid-east democracy again. The Europeans, Chinese, US, and Japan should form a coalition and go into Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Egypt and stabilize things. I don't care how they do it just stop ISIS from spreading.


ISIS is like a puny 30,000-50,000 fighters that are being financed very obviously by Saudi/UAE/Qatar. They magically got all this funding overnight? Yeah right. 

The US has been in Afghanistan for like what? 15 years now? Yet that's still a crap show. 

The solution is that the Saudis/Turks/etc. need to bury the hatchet with the Shia countries (Iran in particular). Because all of this is just a proxy war between those two sides, it doesn't really have as much to do with the US as people would think. 



Burek said:
I am from Croatia, and even though we are not on their direct route, we are expecting some refugees, and are ready to assist them as much as we can.
These unfortunate people are just trying to find peace and happiness some place, and not having to worry about getting killed any minute. Most of them are decent, hard working people, and have a goid chance to become useful members of society.

I need to add that Croatia has a decent sized Muslim population, and my city has a huge Muslim community. And we have never had any problems with them, as they are all nice and civilized people who are no different than any other person except in name.
And be sure, those people are not terrorists, they would not be drowning and dying, terrorists come to Europe on airplanes and in cars.

These poor people need all our help, and I am ready to help them myself as much as possible.


Sorry, you're wrong. Croatia has a very minuscule Muslim population - 1.47%. If it was any bigger they'd be claiming for Sharia law. And wasn't it this year that Muslims caused trouble because of a theatre performance in your country?

Those poor people need to be screened to make sure they're not criminals.