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There are many problems with this battle, mainly, it doesn´t respect the speed of light at all. A single human punch at 99% of that speed has the energy of 400000 Gigatons, about 4 million Tsar bombs.

The whole earth atmosphere would burn and an area of the size of the USA would be destroyed instantly. The planet could be destroyed by the shockwaves. 

 

I actually believe Goku ssj3 to be enough to beat superman, but unless they are fighting in a very special place, Goku would lose for not being able to survive in outer space.



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d21lewis said:
bigtakilla said:


He still has been actually dead. Superman has not.

*Edit* And proof that Goku doesn't always win, and the fact that he has severely been outmatched before. Him being "resurrected" does not take away the fact that he didn't beat Raddits or Cell. There is absolutely no way he could beat Superman. Even when Superman was presumed "dead" he still killed Doomsday.

Superman was dead.  After the events of the Reign of the Supermen, he was in denial but Eradicator and some other time traveler (I think it was Waverider) said he was dead.  Not in hibernation of anything.  100% dead.  It was just a series of events that can never be replicated (aka a cop out) that bright him back.

Superboy, on the other hand.  He was in some sort of coma that took thousands of years to recover from.  They went to the future and bright him back after he awakened.

Well, there are typically things that don't add up in comics. Like Red Robin (Tim Drake) from Teen Titans in New 52 supposedly never being Robin, but then later it shows him in his old Robin outfit with Batman in a picture in comic 0 (origins comic). During the timeline "The Death Of Superman" it is explained he was never dead. If some other writer wrote a story in which he supposedly was dead, it completely goes against the original writers story. But it happens. 



vkaraujo said:

There are many problems with this battle, mainly, it doesn´t respect the speed of light at all. A single human punch at 99% of that speed has the energy of 400000 Gigatons, about 4 million Tsar bombs.

The whole earth atmosphere would burn and an area of the size of the USA would be destroyed instantly. The planet could be destroyed by the shockwaves. 

 

I actually believe Goku ssj3 to enough to beat superman, but unless they are fighting in a very special place, Goku would lose for not being able to survive in outer space.

Superman did in the first match, and the earth got obliterated.



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vkaraujo said:

There are many problems with this battle, mainly, it doesn´t respect the speed of light at all. A single human punch at 99% of that speed has the energy of 400000 Gigatons, about 4 million Tsar bombs.

The whole earth atmosphere would burn and an area of the size of the USA would be destroyed instantly. The planet could be destroyed by the shockwaves. 

 

I actually believe Goku ssj3 to be enough to beat superman, but unless they are fighting in a very special place, Goku would lose for not being able to survive in outer space.


Why would Goku SSJ3 be able to beat ANYONE? That form is the single biggest stupidity in the whole DBZ mythos. The only time it's marginally useful is in the movie with Tapion. Otherwise, everytime Goku goes SSJ3, he does jack all with it. 



JinxRake said:
vkaraujo said:

There are many problems with this battle, mainly, it doesn´t respect the speed of light at all. A single human punch at 99% of that speed has the energy of 400000 Gigatons, about 4 million Tsar bombs.

The whole earth atmosphere would burn and an area of the size of the USA would be destroyed instantly. The planet could be destroyed by the shockwaves. 

 

I actually believe Goku ssj3 to be enough to beat superman, but unless they are fighting in a very special place, Goku would lose for not being able to survive in outer space.


Why would Goku SSJ3 be able to beat ANYONE? That form is the single biggest stupidity in the whole DBZ mythos. The only time it's marginally useful is in the movie with Tapion. Otherwise, everytime Goku goes SSJ3, he does jack all with it. 

I see where you are getting at, ssj3 was never as decisive as ssj1 (vs freeza) or ssj2 (gohan vs cell), but that's more of a plot decision.

Still, ssj3 always showed to be a incredible power boost, both in Goku and Gotenks, allowing those characters to fight achieve much more than before.

In BoG Goku ssj3 makes a hole in King Kai's planet, what is insanely impressive when you do the math. That's the kind of insane shit superman pulls out, which to me points Goku as capable of seriously hurting superman with his attacks.



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1) Superman punches Goku.

2) Goku teleports Superman into a Red Sun.

3) Goku teleports back and forgets about sups in 2 hours.



The_BlackHeart__ said:
1) Superman punches Goku.

2) Goku teleports Superman into a Red Sun.

3) Goku teleports back and forgets about sups in 2 hours.


Except...

 

1. Superman does not die by being in a Red Sun. 

2. Goku DOES die by being in a red sun. For even a microsecond. Or in any kind of sun really. 

3. Please don't say "Ki Aura"  because that is not canon in any single form. 



I agreed with Superman's first victory, and I still agree with it. It's not a battle of power, it's a battle of concepts. Both of these characters could be as powerful as they would need to be in their stories, but while Goku has to earn that power, Superman already has all the power he needs to do anything, no matter how impossible.



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vkaraujo said:
JinxRake said:
vkaraujo said:

There are many problems with this battle, mainly, it doesn´t respect the speed of light at all. A single human punch at 99% of that speed has the energy of 400000 Gigatons, about 4 million Tsar bombs.

The whole earth atmosphere would burn and an area of the size of the USA would be destroyed instantly. The planet could be destroyed by the shockwaves. 

 

I actually believe Goku ssj3 to be enough to beat superman, but unless they are fighting in a very special place, Goku would lose for not being able to survive in outer space.


Why would Goku SSJ3 be able to beat ANYONE? That form is the single biggest stupidity in the whole DBZ mythos. The only time it's marginally useful is in the movie with Tapion. Otherwise, everytime Goku goes SSJ3, he does jack all with it. 

I see where you are getting at, ssj3 was never as decisive as ssj1 (vs freeza) or ssj2 (gohan vs cell), but that's more of a plot decision.

Still, ssj3 always showed to be a incredible power boost, both in Goku and Gotenks, allowing those characters to fight achieve much more than before.

In BoG Goku ssj3 makes a hole in King Kai's planet, what is insanely impressive when you do the math. That's the kind of insane shit superman pulls out, which to me points Goku as capable of seriously hurting superman with his attacks.


I've actually read this before honestly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because my memory is very hazy on this detail, but didn't Goku punch A LOT of holes in King Kai's planet during his original training...with a hammer? I've seen someone do the math - or a kind of fictional math - related to King Kai's planet, but it's never supported in the series as being some dense, incredible material...just that "it has high gravity", aka the Go To training technique that Toriyama got complacent in using as a plot device. 



JinxRake said:

I've actually read this before honestly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because my memory is very hazy on this detail, but didn't Goku punch A LOT of holes in King Kai's planet during his original training...with a hammer? I've seen someone do the math - or a kind of fictional math - related to King Kai's planet, but it's never supported in the series as being some dense, incredible material...just that "it has high gravity", aka the Go To training technique that Toriyama got complacent in using as a plot device. 

i believe he did leaved marks around the planet, but not holes, therefore it could be that the surface of the planet is made of earth (to grow grass and trees). I admit i don't remember it too well either. But since we do know the gravitational pull and, supposedly, the diameter, we need to consider it.

That's what this battles are all about, i believe.

And while we are at that, let's talk about superman impossible doings. Travelling over 1 million times the speed of light? Hearing a radio frequency sign from 25 light years away? That´s not impossible, that is a plot hole, if i ever saw one. In the same issue superman will waste way more time going between places not remotely afar, and will have trouble locating people he should just be able to hear. 

I am also pretty sure the book of infinity pages thing was debunked. What is said in the HQ is that the book contain every pages from every book ever made. Every book possible is a finite number of books, not an infinite number of books. Given, it is still impressive, as we are talking about 52 multiverses, but nothing close to infinity itself.

One of the more ludicrous claims is that in lifting Spectre, Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern lifted infinite weight. Spectre says "They're (Superman and Wonder Woman) two of the mightiest beings in the Universe and yet the weight of my unconscious form was nearly too much for them. The Spectre's body you see is composed of consciousness. A cosmic consciousness that contains eternity itself. And eternity is heavy."

Eternity is a measure of time. It does not have a weight, nor does a conscious, which is a spiritual concept. There's no context to the weight other than it being heavy and the fact that the strain caused Hal Jordan to collapse.