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I stumbled onto this guy Shokio, while looking up videos on peoples thoughts of Nintendo and the third party situation on Youtube. This has to be one the most well balanced responses to Nintendo fans and non-nintendo fans alike.. He also sounds like Will Smith as well (which is pretty funny to me).

Key points (omitting the DS)

Third party conspiracy:

- There is no conspiracy

-Nintendo has to own up to their mistakes (Primary problem)

- Western third party definitely have a bias (Secondary problem)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft_0WKTc3CI



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I like Shokio.

On the other side of the coin, you could say Nintendo has a bias for working with Japanese-based companies. Nintendo's farmed out some 3rd party exclusives from Japanese devs like Bayo 2 and Devil's Third, but probably never once took a look at securing western-developed games like Evolve or Titanfall as exclusives (which honestly, they could have done with the right amount of money). Companies like Bandai Namco, Koei Tecmo, and Capcom usually are the only other large publishers allowed to work with Nintendo's IP.



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fleischr said:
I like Shokio.

On the other side of the coin, you could say Nintendo has a bias for working with Japanese-based companies. Nintendo's farmed out some 3rd party exclusives from Japanese devs like Bayo 2 and Devil's Third, but probably never once took a look at securing western-developed games like Evolve or Titanfall as exclusives (which honestly, they could have done with the right amount of money). Companies like Bandai Namco, Koei Tecmo, and Capcom usually are the only other large publishers allowed to work with Nintendo's IP.


The funny thing about this is Japanese 3rd parties treat Nintendo consoles like sh*t. 

Worse than the Western third parties that Nintendo fans always try to scapegoat. 

What's Konami done for Wii U? Where's Square-Enix? Namco-Bandai, supposedly Nintendo's closest ally, are happy to take contracted projects from Nintendo, but they won't support the Wii U with their own internal IP ... the PS4/X1 get Tekken 7, the Wii U doesn't get a sniff. 

Then there's Nintendo "loyal friend" Capcom, all they've given the Wii U is two HD ports of existing 3DS games and nothing else. Couldn't even be bothered to throw the Wii U a bone with a RE REmake port (available for PS3, PS4, X1, X360, PC) or Revelations 2, even though the Vita (Vita! lol) gets a port of it. 

Japanese companies treat the Vita better than the Wii U. At least Western companies kinda tried for a couple of years with things like Zombi U, Rayman Legends, Call of Duty: BLOPS2 (best use of the Wiimote pointer in a shooter), Call of Duty: Ghosts, Splinter Cell, Batman: Arkham, Assassin's Creed III/IV, etc 

To be honest games like Zombi U, Deus Ex, Batman: Arkham City, Rayman Legends ... while not perfect, they utilize the Wii U tablet better than basically any Nintendo game. 



I think some of us Ninten fans could have told you that ; ) Not all Ninten fans treat Ninten like they can do no wrong. I've accepted that there won't be any 3rd party (multiplat) for Wii U unless Ninten pushes that extra effort, and Ninten has to fix the issue with 3rd party. Though I still have beef with Ubisoft for delaying Rayman Legends to make multiplat and pushing Watch Dogs to 6 months later.



 

              

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The thing is that Nintendo doesn't has the same kind of 'practices' as third parties, ie rampant microtransactions, overpriced DLC (that is already on disc), unfinished games on release, etc.

For third parties, having a Nintendo game right there to compare to their games make them look even worse. Activision would have a harder time justifying an expensive DLC pack for CoD when Nintendo gives you 15 new Smash Bros stages for fucking free.



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"I stumbled onto this guy Shokio"

This was your first mistake. This guy is biased as hell looking at his older videos. There are many more like him.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

I stumbled onto this guy Shokio, while looking up videos on peoples thoughts of Nintendo and the third party situation on Youtube. This has to be one the most well balanced responses to Nintendo fans and non-nintendo fans alike.. He also sounds like Will Smith as well (which is pretty funny to me).

Key points (omitting the DS)

Third party conspiracy:

- There is no conspiracy

-Nintendo has to own up to their mistakes (Primary problem)

- Western third party definitely have a bias (Secondary problem)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft_0WKTc3CI

Certainly fair. It's obvious Nintendo could do more, but folks have to realize that there's fault on the West end as well.



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fleischr said:
I like Shokio.

On the other side of the coin, you could say Nintendo has a bias for working with Japanese-based companies. Nintendo's farmed out some 3rd party exclusives from Japanese devs like Bayo 2 and Devil's Third, but probably never once took a look at securing western-developed games like Evolve or Titanfall as exclusives (which honestly, they could have done with the right amount of money). Companies like Bandai Namco, Koei Tecmo, and Capcom usually are the only other large publishers allowed to work with Nintendo's IP.


I believe the reason why Nintendo works with Japanese-based companies is because in Japan the companies understand their train of thought on a cultural level. They dont have the current gen demands that other companies have. Nintendo wants third party games from westerners but they have a history of wanting things done their way. Japan as a gaming economy are not thriving as well as the should and the Japanese companies who are still standing somewhat tall have adopted somewhat of a westernized version of their product (even though creative ideas are still japanese).

Konami and Square sided with Sony in the format war. Sony works with third parties and can help them out on a technological level so it helped to persuade them over Nintendo. Sony makes games and tech and thats what helped them at the end of the day. Back in the day Nintendo third party its our way or the highway and until Sony (and later Microsoft) arrived, there was reason to fear not being supported by Nintendo.



Mr Khan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I stumbled onto this guy Shokio, while looking up videos on peoples thoughts of Nintendo and the third party situation on Youtube. This has to be one the most well balanced responses to Nintendo fans and non-nintendo fans alike.. He also sounds like Will Smith as well (which is pretty funny to me).

Key points (omitting the DS)

Third party conspiracy:

- There is no conspiracy

-Nintendo has to own up to their mistakes (Primary problem)

- Western third party definitely have a bias (Secondary problem)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft_0WKTc3CI

Certainly fair. It's obvious Nintendo could do more, but folks have to realize that there's fault on the West end as well.


Why should Western developers support Nintendo? This isn't a marriage, this is more like a single guy at a nightclub. No girl is entitled to just fall at his feet, if she likes his advances great, if she doesn't though that isn't her fault. 

And to be honest Western support for the Wii U was a helluva lot better than the Japanese support, Japanese devs get off scott free from Nintendo fans for some reason though. Sega's the only Japanese developer that supported the Wii U and even their Sonic games sucked ass. 



Soundwave said:

Then there's Nintendo "loyal friend" Capcom, all they've given the Wii U is two HD ports of existing 3DS games and nothing else. Couldn't even be bothered to throw the Wii U a bone with a RE REmake port (available for PS3, PS4, X1, X360, PC) or Revelations 2, even though the Vita (Vita! lol) gets a port of it.

Vita is only getting a port because Sony is porting it. If Nintendo wanted to port it, I can't imagine Capcom would say, "No."