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Aeolus451 on 30 November 2014
Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:
I believe the cop was in the right. Brown shouldn't of reached for the cop's gun.

That would be correct if the cop shot Brown when or if he went for the gun but that is not the case.  After Brown was said to go for the gun, and not succeed he ran away.  Cop followed in pursuit and continue to shoot at Brown.  So you telling me that with all of the 8 bullets out of 12 hitting Brown from the front not the back something isn't adding up.  The issue is when Brown was shot in the head, was he giving up or did he rush Wilson and Wilson shot him in the head.  Seems really dumb for someone who was running away and having a cop fire his gun at you to suddenly turn around and rush a cop with his gun out.  Witnesses state that Brown had his hands up and was shot down.  Wilson stated, brown turned around and rushed him or at least was going forward.  Either way, after getting shot a few times in the chest, just how much forward do you think Brown was going before getting the final shot in the head.


There's little reason to debate about it. The grand jury made it's decision and the people should respect that.  I'm tired of backyard courtrooms and lynch mobs that have no interest in actual justice.



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Mr Khan on 30 November 2014
Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:
I believe the cop was in the right. Brown shouldn't of reached for the cop's gun.

That would be correct if the cop shot Brown when or if he went for the gun but that is not the case.  After Brown was said to go for the gun, and not succeed he ran away.  Cop followed in pursuit and continue to shoot at Brown.  So you telling me that with all of the 8 bullets out of 12 hitting Brown from the front not the back something isn't adding up.  The issue is when Brown was shot in the head, was he giving up or did he rush Wilson and Wilson shot him in the head.  Seems really dumb for someone who was running away and having a cop fire his gun at you to suddenly turn around and rush a cop with his gun out.  Witnesses state that Brown had his hands up and was shot down.  Wilson stated, brown turned around and rushed him or at least was going forward.  Either way, after getting shot a few times in the chest, just how much forward do you think Brown was going before getting the final shot in the head.


There's little reason to debate about it. The grand jury made it's decision and the people should respect that.  I'm tired of backyard courtrooms and lynch mobs that have no interest in actual justice.

The grand jury's setup was highly flawed, you'll admit. Much irregularity starting from the halfassed job done by the prosecution.

Not that i think Wilson's guilty, but a full-fledged trial couldn't have hurt. Guy's career is toast anyway, might as well be sure of things.



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Aeolus451 on 30 November 2014
Mr Khan said:
Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:
I believe the cop was in the right. Brown shouldn't of reached for the cop's gun.

That would be correct if the cop shot Brown when or if he went for the gun but that is not the case.  After Brown was said to go for the gun, and not succeed he ran away.  Cop followed in pursuit and continue to shoot at Brown.  So you telling me that with all of the 8 bullets out of 12 hitting Brown from the front not the back something isn't adding up.  The issue is when Brown was shot in the head, was he giving up or did he rush Wilson and Wilson shot him in the head.  Seems really dumb for someone who was running away and having a cop fire his gun at you to suddenly turn around and rush a cop with his gun out.  Witnesses state that Brown had his hands up and was shot down.  Wilson stated, brown turned around and rushed him or at least was going forward.  Either way, after getting shot a few times in the chest, just how much forward do you think Brown was going before getting the final shot in the head.


There's little reason to debate about it. The grand jury made it's decision and the people should respect that.  I'm tired of backyard courtrooms and lynch mobs that have no interest in actual justice.

The grand jury's setup was highly flawed, you'll admit. Much irregularity starting from the halfassed job done by the prosecution.

Not that i think Wilson's guilty, but a full-fledged trial couldn't have hurt. Guy's career is toast anyway, might as well be sure of things.

The investigation should of stopped with IA but politics got into it. Ruined his career and social life over a justified shooting.



pepharytheworm on 30 November 2014
Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:
I believe the cop was in the right. Brown shouldn't of reached for the cop's gun.

That would be correct if the cop shot Brown when or if he went for the gun but that is not the case.  After Brown was said to go for the gun, and not succeed he ran away.  Cop followed in pursuit and continue to shoot at Brown.  So you telling me that with all of the 8 bullets out of 12 hitting Brown from the front not the back something isn't adding up.  The issue is when Brown was shot in the head, was he giving up or did he rush Wilson and Wilson shot him in the head.  Seems really dumb for someone who was running away and having a cop fire his gun at you to suddenly turn around and rush a cop with his gun out.  Witnesses state that Brown had his hands up and was shot down.  Wilson stated, brown turned around and rushed him or at least was going forward.  Either way, after getting shot a few times in the chest, just how much forward do you think Brown was going before getting the final shot in the head.


There's little reason to debate about it. The grand jury made it's decision and the people should respect that.  I'm tired of backyard courtrooms and lynch mobs that have no interest in actual justice.

There is always plenty of reason to debate. This isn't a trial case, this was an grand jury hearing, which is used to determine if there is enough evidence to go to trial. Plus other avenues like the justice department might make a federal case. You can bring a case in front of a grand jury again if new evidence comes to light, so this is still up for debate. 



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 01 December 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

What a complete waste of time. How many people need to die/seriously wounded for the US to reform its police agencies. All this pointless militarization that can't even actually protect anyone, and unprofessionalism that some agencies display haphazardly actually endangering its citizens is probably the greatest threat on US soil right now.

Remember this?

I'm glad something might actually happen this time around.

And I'm not the only one who had that same concern.

:)



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prayformojo on 01 December 2014

All I gotta say is this. There are two courts. Always has been, always will be. He "won" the court battle with the law. He is going to lose his battle with the court of public opinion.

He will likely spend the remainder of his days, jumping at shadows until someone returns the favor. Not many people will cry about it either.



prayformojo on 01 December 2014
Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:
I believe the cop was in the right. Brown shouldn't of reached for the cop's gun.

That would be correct if the cop shot Brown when or if he went for the gun but that is not the case.  After Brown was said to go for the gun, and not succeed he ran away.  Cop followed in pursuit and continue to shoot at Brown.  So you telling me that with all of the 8 bullets out of 12 hitting Brown from the front not the back something isn't adding up.  The issue is when Brown was shot in the head, was he giving up or did he rush Wilson and Wilson shot him in the head.  Seems really dumb for someone who was running away and having a cop fire his gun at you to suddenly turn around and rush a cop with his gun out.  Witnesses state that Brown had his hands up and was shot down.  Wilson stated, brown turned around and rushed him or at least was going forward.  Either way, after getting shot a few times in the chest, just how much forward do you think Brown was going before getting the final shot in the head.


There's little reason to debate about it. The grand jury made it's decision and the people should respect that.  I'm tired of backyard courtrooms and lynch mobs that have no interest in actual justice.

And you trust this so called "justice"? What makes you think things are as presented? It's called critical thinking. The Ohio shootings, the mississippi freedom workers deaths in the 60's? Rodney King? 

The table is tilted, the system is fixed. If you can't see that, I pity you my friend.



Aeolus451 on 01 December 2014
prayformojo said:
Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:
I believe the cop was in the right. Brown shouldn't of reached for the cop's gun.

That would be correct if the cop shot Brown when or if he went for the gun but that is not the case.  After Brown was said to go for the gun, and not succeed he ran away.  Cop followed in pursuit and continue to shoot at Brown.  So you telling me that with all of the 8 bullets out of 12 hitting Brown from the front not the back something isn't adding up.  The issue is when Brown was shot in the head, was he giving up or did he rush Wilson and Wilson shot him in the head.  Seems really dumb for someone who was running away and having a cop fire his gun at you to suddenly turn around and rush a cop with his gun out.  Witnesses state that Brown had his hands up and was shot down.  Wilson stated, brown turned around and rushed him or at least was going forward.  Either way, after getting shot a few times in the chest, just how much forward do you think Brown was going before getting the final shot in the head.


There's little reason to debate about it. The grand jury made it's decision and the people should respect that.  I'm tired of backyard courtrooms and lynch mobs that have no interest in actual justice.

And you trust this so called "justice"? What makes you think things are as presented? It's called critical thinking. The Ohio shootings, the mississippi freedom workers deaths in the 60's? Rodney King? 

The table is tilted, the system is fixed. If you can't see that, I pity you my friend.

Regardless of race, if you try to reach for a cop's gun, you'll probably get shot. Most people are smart enough to not try that. There's plenty of evidence to support that brown was one such person who would try that with a cop and he died rightly so for it. That's justice enough for me. I bet there's a few people gaining something from all of the riots and making a big deal out of nothing. Hmmm...



prayformojo on 01 December 2014
Aeolus451 said:

Regardless of race, if you try to reach for a cop's gun, you'll probably get shot. Most people are smart enough to not try that. There's plenty of evidence to support that brown was one such person who would try that with a cop and he died rightly so for it. That's justice enough for me. I bet there's a few people gaining something from all of the riots and making a big deal out of nothing. Hmmm...


If Brown was shot IN THE CAR, sure. That is not what happened.

There was a struggle in the car, the cop reached for his gun to protect himself, fearing for his life. At that point, Brown grabs the gun, it goes off and he flees. Did you read that? HE FLED. Wilson then gets out of his car, fires 6 shots that miss into the direction of the man running some several feet away. At this point, Brown stops, says something to the effect of "Ok, ok, ok I give up", puts his hands in the air, turns around and then Wilson pumps his body with 6 MORE shots, leaving him dead in the street.

That, my friend, is NOT protecting yourself. That is a case of a cop who's pissed off, full of adrenaline and ready to make someone pay. He didn't have to shoot. His life was not in danger when that kid was running away. He could have stayed in the car and called for backup. He could have run on foot, like most cops do, and pursued Brown. He could have, you know, NOT gunned him down as he stood with his hands up, and ordered him to the ground before handcuffing him and charging him with assault on an officer.

But no. He chose to erase him. That, is where the anger comes from. That is where his crime was commited and why ultimately, he'll probably end up getting killed or beaten within minutes of it. 



Aeolus451 on 02 December 2014
prayformojo said:
Aeolus451 said:

Regardless of race, if you try to reach for a cop's gun, you'll probably get shot. Most people are smart enough to not try that. There's plenty of evidence to support that brown was one such person who would try that with a cop and he died rightly so for it. That's justice enough for me. I bet there's a few people gaining something from all of the riots and making a big deal out of nothing. Hmmm...


If Brown was shot IN THE CAR, sure. That is not what happened.

There was a struggle in the car, the cop reached for his gun to protect himself, fearing for his life. At that point, Brown grabs the gun, it goes off and he flees. Did you read that? HE FLED. Wilson then gets out of his car, fires 6 shots that miss into the direction of the man running some several feet away. At this point, Brown stops, says something to the effect of "Ok, ok, ok I give up", puts his hands in the air, turns around and then Wilson pumps his body with 6 MORE shots, leaving him dead in the street.

That, my friend, is NOT protecting yourself. That is a case of a cop who's pissed off, full of adrenaline and ready to make someone pay. He didn't have to shoot. His life was not in danger when that kid was running away. He could have stayed in the car and called for backup. He could have run on foot, like most cops do, and pursued Brown. He could have, you know, NOT gunned him down as he stood with his hands up, and ordered him to the ground before handcuffing him and charging him with assault on an officer.

But no. He chose to erase him. That, is where the anger comes from. That is where his crime was commited and why ultimately, he'll probably end up getting killed or beaten within minutes of it. 

He was shot 1 to 2 times in the arm while in the car by wilson then brown fled. Wilson gave chase and brown turned around then charged wilson with his hand near his waistband. Wilson shot him several times. Forensic evidence supports wilson's side of the story and not the "hands up" scenario. Brown wasn't shot in the back at all. The witnesses that said that brown had his hands up and tried to surrender were caught lying about it. There's also a few black witnesses that support wilson's side of the story. The evidence and witnesses for the most part support wilson hence why there was no indictment. No amount of rioting and race baiting will change the truth.