I see what you are trying to say, but Im still a little confused. People are naturally going to compare it to WIi because that was its predessecor, lets get real. There isnt anything wrong with that. People dont want to compare it now, because Wii U is doing so bad it would make it look worse and be honest did you really think Wii U would flop like this? coming off of the Wii? So yes lets say now in hindsight we shouldnt compare. 

But thats the whole thing of it is. Ninty consoles have been on the decline SINCE the NES. every system after that has fallen sans Wii. So if you dont compare Wii then it still dont look good. Determing whether its good or bad depending on what Ninty's average is is not accurate cause one could make the argument that there consoles DONT sell good anyway. I would compare it to industry sales and standards versus what is being bought at the time. You cant act like Ninty exist in a bubble.

You do have a point about how we can't act like Nintendo exists in a bubble. The fact is that, excluding the Wii, each Nintendo console has sold worse than it's predecessor, while the video game industry as a whole has grown in terms of sales with each new generation. Having said that, it's not really fair to Nintendo to exclude the Wii since it was an incredible success.

Their home console business is in more peril than the handheld business. Which is weird when all you hear is how handhelds are dead!

And that's saying something since the 3DS isn't doing all that great either! It's not doing bad, but it would appear is though the portable market has shrinked somewhat.

The only to actually lure MS and Sony fans is by giving them games that they like exclusively on the home console. That's the only way to do it. If not, we will see some 3rd parties bringing their games at launch and afterwards just to see people buying them on PS4 or XB1.
Gamers can move from one console to another, but you need to give them a really good reason to do it.

I whole heartedly agree; with the right kind of SW gamers of all kinds will come.

Sometimes i think Nintendo knows very well that their strategy of dumping their best games in the first 2 years on the market is not enough. It didn't work for GC and it didn't even work for Wii. The big exclusives always went to PS2/Xbox and PS3/Xbox 360, because Sony and MS created a business for them!

Have they really though? Couldn't they just as well blame the Wii U's failure on the controller? It seems as if Nintendo is very reluctant to learn any kind of lessons...

We are still a couple years, at least, from a new console by Nintendo.
Ideally, now, would be the best way to start building studios and new franchises. But there's still time.

I say they have 3 years until the Fusion has to launch; the 3DS is half way through it's life circle, and Wii U is fast approaching that mark as well. The problem is that it might be another 2 years until PS5 releases, and thus yet again leaving Nintendo in the dust powerwise. So, either make Fusion (prefertly with NEW Western Studios making games) or make a god damn powerhouse of a home console!

If Splatoon actually does well in the US and Europe we might see Nintendo greenlighting more of those projects instead of making them in western studios.
Personally, i'm hopeful that Nintendo's next financial briefing, which is in a couple of weeks, will reveal even more of their plans for the next generation. We might even be happy about some things.

I hope Splatoon takes of and that that initiates a time of new IP's for Nintendo; and hopefully not only Japanese ones bur Western as well.

When is their next briefing?

They netted a lot of casuals, and a generation of kids.

Issue is the casuals moved on, the generation got older and wanted other things, and the new generation of kids don't really seem interested in what Nintendo has to offer, leaving only the hardcore fans and the stragglers from previous generations that felt an attachment enough to keep buying.

The numbers speak for themselves, The WiiU is doing poorly.

Yeah kids ain't as loyal as they used to be! This damn mobile playing generation is gon' be the end of the industry! ;)

The industry has changed, and Nintendo has choosen to stay way behind - and it's showing with the Wii U

I wouldn't even say it's a loyalty problem. Young kids of now have the choice of not even paying attention to the 3 gaming systems. If they play a game on a phone. Because it's ultimatly cheaper for the adult to buy them. Than they won't care/know about The other options. So that loyalty hasn't even started.