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Forums - Sales Discussion - August 2014 NPD Thread! PS4 - 190k, XBO - 160k, Wii U < 60k, PSV < 6k

Iamdavirus on 12 September 2014
Soundwave said:

Every system increases in the fall, big whoop. 

You want to see a real monster at work, go look at PS2's November/December 2001 and lets see the PS4 try to keep pace with that. 

They had a great launch but the sales in 2014 after the launch honeymoon wore off haven't impressed me much. Sorry if you can't deal with that without throwing a hissy fit. PS2 is a much better example of a very good launch followed by extremely strong second year of sales consistently knocking out 300k+ in even traduitionally slower months like its nothing. 

Again why are you bringing up PS2????? HAs nothing to do with the discussion. If comparing it to the ps2 is all you can do to discredit ps4 then I rest my case.

 

The ps4 when it hits 299 and lower will sell gangbusters, perios...ps2 was a freak, never going to happen again so why do you keep breinging it up? out of arguments? It sold 160 mill and was a one ina  lifetime seller.......that's your argument? really? So if a console doesn;t sell like ps2 it's weak? lol.

 

Again you keep ignoring the front loaded sales, made for less now, instead of less early and more in the summer as they were still catching up to demand......why do you keep ignoring that? If ps4 had 360 or ps3 supply it would be selling triple what it is now.



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fatslob-:O on 12 September 2014
Iamdavirus said:

Still applies. and no it was not 4 months.......2..if ps4 had ps3's supply it would be doing 300 K right now, but still sold less, but you think thats better?? ROFL.

It's 4 ... 

April ...

May ...

July ...

And ofcourse it includes this month as well. So for HALF the time this year the PS4 has been underperforming.



Aura7541 on 12 September 2014
Arkaign said:
Intrinsic said:

i dunno how to say this to you... but i will try.

markets change and so do trends. Consoles are sold and priced differently than how they were back then. manufacturing methods improve. New markets are entered...etc.

Just an example, back then it was practically impossible launching a new console worldwide and selling as much as 4M consoles in 2 months. launches were usually staggered which meant that sales were spread out over subsequent months as opposed to being front (or seasonal) loaded as they are today.

Having said all that, the PS2 may be "kicking the PS4s ass" according to you these past few months, but it doesn't change that fact that somehow the PS4 still managed to get to 10M sold before it. Front loaded, more markets, monthly sales, it doesn't really matter. How many consoles were sold over a set period of time from launch is the best way to measure the success of any console. 

And as far as that goes, the PS4 is winning. it doesn't matter if the PS4 sells 100k per month if it somehow sells 6M in 2 months and still ends up beating the PS2. Unless you have your head in the sand that is.

So lets make it fair, lets see how many months it takes the PS4 to get to 10M, then 20M then 30M then 40M in relation to how long it took the PS2 to do the same. Whenever the PS2 reaches any of those milestones before the PS4 we can then say its outpacing the PS4. That should be the logical thing to do. Then again, I have just illogically said all this to someone that probably would agree/understand a single line here. 

Common sense is not so common these days. And this post is proof of that, cause if i did have any sense, i would know better to have even bothered explaining this to you.

Great post. I think it's very telling that people try to compare PS4 to the best selling consoles in history (PS2 and Wii) in order to attempt to downplay it.

If PS4 fizlles this holiday, then the haters will have a point. But the fact does remain that extremely high availability caused massive early sales to meet demand at a high level near launch. Past launches are riddled with hot selling consoles being supply limited, and there are TONS of examples of that. That's why you see some 300-400k off-holiday months for previous market leaders, but then you look at those older consoles and you find that yep, the supply was limited on launch.

Demand for PS4 is actually quite impressive considering the summer doldroms (games are more expensive to make, so you see less common releases of major titles of course). Things are going to bo bananas starting in September though.

PS4 is primed to have a solid shot at the biggest September sales of all time, or very near to it. If anyone tries to downplay those numbers when they're released, well I don't know what to say.

One could also easily make the point, going by indications that more PS4 Destiny Bundles have already been sold than XB1 Titanfall bundles have been sold in ALL of 2014, that a decent amount of customers were moved from June-August into September, nerfing the PS4's sales somewhat. Balancing it out, an average of June-September might well turn out to be ~375k roughly. We'll know soon enough.

It goes without saying that the people trying to downplay the PS4 sales are .. predictable, to be kind. And that's all I can say about that.

Yep, you two hit it on the noggin. You cannot form a conclusion about the PS4's performance until after you have observed its first autumn and non-launch winter. For instance, when fatslob said that he's disappointed with the PS4's performance, he really means that he's disappointed with the PS4's summer performance. However, that's not indicative of how it will be doing overall and we won't know that until after the holidays.



Intrinsic on 12 September 2014
fatslob-:O said:
Iamdavirus said:

How many more timea are you going to ignore the facts?? 1 month does not negate the total sales. You keep focusing on the 1 month to spin your argument, ignorng all the sales data..........

It's 4 MONTHS so why don't you get it right next time before you respond to me ...


like he said,

how many times are you gonna ignore the facts????? "4 months" (better?) does not negate total sales. You keep focusing on 4 months to spin your argument, ignoring all the sales data.........

either way... 1 month or 4 months the facts still remain. the PS4 got to 10M before the PS2. And the PS2 went onto become the best seling console of all time. 

Lets look at it another way, if you sell 300k of your console for 12 months (january to december) and end the year having sold 3.6M consoles, and I sell 50k of my console for 9 months but somehow.... I end the year (also after 12 months) having sold 5M consoles. 

Of the two of us who do you think would be regarded as more successful? How is it possible that you do not see the sense in this?



sidmeiernintifan on 12 September 2014

The fact that PS4 isn't backwards compatible, and that you have to pay to play online, + many parents thinking their kids should feel satisfied with their ipads and not ask for a console + the consolization of pc gaming with Steam, are all going to prevent the PS4 from selling like PS2.
It will win this gen by far, but consoles have become more niche these past years.



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Iamdavirus on 12 September 2014
fatslob-:O said:
Iamdavirus said:

Still applies. and no it was not 4 months.......2..if ps4 had ps3's supply it would be doing 300 K right now, but still sold less, but you think thats better?? ROFL.

It's 4 ... 

April ...

May ...

July ...

And ofcourse it includes this month as well. So for HALF the time this year the PS4 has been underperforming.


AGAIN, because it met demand faster then any consoel not named wii, whih you conveniently ignore......... if ps4 had a much lower launch due to supply it would be selling triple what it is not..supply and demand how does it work?



Soundwave on 12 September 2014
Iamdavirus said:
Soundwave said:

Every system increases in the fall, big whoop. 

You want to see a real monster at work, go look at PS2's November/December 2001 and lets see the PS4 try to keep pace with that. 

They had a great launch but the sales in 2014 after the launch honeymoon wore off haven't impressed me much. Sorry if you can't deal with that without throwing a hissy fit. PS2 is a much better example of a very good launch followed by extremely strong second year of sales consistently knocking out 300k+ in even traduitionally slower months like its nothing. 

Again why are you bringing up PS2????? HAs nothing to do with the discussion. If comparing it to the ps2 is all you can do to discredit ps4 then I rest my case.

 

The ps4 when it hits 299 and lower will sell gangbusters, perios...ps2 was a freak, never going to happen again so why do you keep breinging it up? out of arguments? It sold 160 mill and was a one ina  lifetime seller.......that's your argument? really? So if a console doesn;t sell like ps2 it's weak? lol.

 

Again you keep ignoring the front loaded sales, made for less now, instead of less early and more in the summer as they were still catching up to demand......why do you keep ignoring that? If ps4 had 360 or ps3 supply it would be selling triple what it is now.

Why are you so defensive?

So what if someone doesn't grovel at the Sony altar, this is a sales site, of course we are going to discuss and compare the current market leader versus previous market leaders. Saying you can't do that is a cop out. 

PS4 has had ample supply for a long time too, if had 3x the systems, all that would happen would it would have a sh*t ton of consoles on the storeshelves collecting dust. The only system I can recall still having supply issues into its first August/September period would be the Wii. 



t3mporary_126 on 12 September 2014

Wii U sub 60k? BibleThump



fatslob-:O on 12 September 2014
Intrinsic said:

like he said,

how many times are you gonna ignore the facts????? "4 months" (better?) does not negate total sales. You keep focusing on 4 months to spin your argument, ignoring all the sales data.........

either way... 1 month or 4 months the facts still remain. the PS4 got to 10M before the PS2. And the PS2 went onto become the best seling console of all time. 

Lets look at it another way, if you sell 300k of your console for 12 months (january to december) and end the year having sold 3.6M consoles, and I sell 50k of my console for 9 months but somehow.... I end the year (also after 12 months) having sold 5M consoles. 

Of the two of us who do you think would be regarded as more successful? How is it possible that you do not see the sense in this?

You know damn well that the comparisons aren't fair since the PS2 has had yet to launch in the majority of it's regions at that time so why don't you align the territory releases together to see how well that goes. 



Iamdavirus on 12 September 2014
Soundwave said:
Iamdavirus said:
Soundwave said:

Every system increases in the fall, big whoop. 

You want to see a real monster at work, go look at PS2's November/December 2001 and lets see the PS4 try to keep pace with that. 

They had a great launch but the sales in 2014 after the launch honeymoon wore off haven't impressed me much. Sorry if you can't deal with that without throwing a hissy fit. PS2 is a much better example of a very good launch followed by extremely strong second year of sales consistently knocking out 300k+ in even traduitionally slower months like its nothing. 

Again why are you bringing up PS2????? HAs nothing to do with the discussion. If comparing it to the ps2 is all you can do to discredit ps4 then I rest my case.

 

The ps4 when it hits 299 and lower will sell gangbusters, perios...ps2 was a freak, never going to happen again so why do you keep breinging it up? out of arguments? It sold 160 mill and was a one ina  lifetime seller.......that's your argument? really? So if a console doesn;t sell like ps2 it's weak? lol.

 

Again you keep ignoring the front loaded sales, made for less now, instead of less early and more in the summer as they were still catching up to demand......why do you keep ignoring that? If ps4 had 360 or ps3 supply it would be selling triple what it is now.

Why are you so defensive?

So what if someone doesn't grovel at the Sony altar, this is a sales site, of course we are going to discuss and compare the current market leader versus previous market leaders. Saying you can't do that is a cop out. 

??? I ama sking why you keep harping on 1-2 months and ignoring all the other facts?? LIke it selling so much faster means it hit demand much faster then 360 ps3, or even ps2 did at first? The only one defensive are you on your crusade to make ps4 look bad by bringing up the ps2, the best selling console evr lol