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Shadow1980 said:
For the first six months of this year, the PS4 sold 1,592,000 units while the XBO sold 1,100,000. That means the PS4 has outsold the XBO by 44.7%. Every month the PS4 outsells the XBO, the wider the numerical gap becomes and the harder it will be for the XBO to come out on top. Halo will provide a short-term boost at best, as individual titles rarely boost sales longer than a few weeks. The XBO could conceivably win in the months Halo 5 & 6 are released, but two monthly victories will be meaningless small victories in the sales war. The only thing that can stimulate sales on the long term is an actual price cut. If the XBO is reduced to $300 and Sony doesn't answer back with a price cut of their own, they stand a chance of closing the gap. However, I doubt Sony will go without a price cut of their own for long, plus I doubt MS will cut into the XBO's profitability so they aren't going to issue a price cut anytime soon. Maybe sometime next year, but not within the next few months. If the PS4 and XBO stay at price parity with each other for this whole generation, which is likely, then there is no conceivable stimulative factor that will propel the XBO ahead of the PS4.

Lost momentum is very hard to overcome, and it's extremely rare that's trailing that far behind mounts a comeback and wins. In fact, I don't think there's ever been an occasion where one system was being outsold by its competitor by a 3:2 margin on average and was able to come back and win. The PS1 was trailing the N64 only slightly for the latter's first year on the market, but it took off like a rocket after FFVII cameo out, plus it already had a year's head start over the N64. The 360 edged out the Wii in the States, but it took it until 2013 to accomplish that task and it did so only because the Wii had weak legs, plus it's worth pointing out that the Wii and 360 were very different systems, whereas the only thing differentiating the PS4 and XBO are their exclusives, which amount to some 10% of their game libraries (the majority of the PS1 and N64 libraries were exclusives).

I'm sorry, but everything we know about the history of game sales in America suggests the odds of the XBO ever taking first place in lifetime sales or even consistently placing first in monthly sales are almost nil. There's always a slight chance, but if I were a gambling man I'd bet all my chips on Sony in this horse race. Had MS released a Kinect-less XBO SKU at launch, we might not be having this conversation, but waiting seven months to release it is too little, too late. But if it's any consolation, at least the XBO will do better here than any other region, and by time the final eighth-gen sales are tallied the PS4 might just barely obtain a majority, as opposed to the PS1 & PS2 which had 60+% supermajorities. I'm thinking a roughly 53%/35%/12% split for the PS4, XBO, and Wii U. Numerically, I think the XBO will likely land somewhere between the PS3 and NES in the U.S., which ain't half bad. It'd be second place, but a decent second place, and not what I'd call a "failure." Of course, Europe (sans UK) and Japan are already a lost cause for MS, and that's where it's going to hurt them.


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JayWood2010 said:
KLXVER said:
PS4 - 3.76M
XB1 - 3.13M

Yep, impossible...lol


This about sums it up xD lol

@OP  Maybe PS4 will win, its certainly has a lot of hype to run with as well as being slightly more powerful.  Then again Microsoft has been securing a lot of big exclusives.  There is also this small game called Halo.....

But yes, PS4 may win, it may not but this thread seems a little premature to rule out either one lol

I have a feeling Halo will not viewed as much of an exclusive now the company that made the good Halos is putting out a game called destiny.... Will people who have XB1 get it, yes most definitly. People on the fence? I can many other them being happy with Destiny which could end up being better than Halo in just about every way.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

Well they're only consoles, I don't really the point in getting behind one so emphatically and declaring it the "winner".



 

starcraft said:
Fusioncode said:
starcraft said:
Last generation after 1 year (all consoles on the market) it was 'clear' that the Wii would dominate in every way (pfft, third party support never did eventuate did it), Microsoft would be passable and that Sony would get crushed.

Not one of those things happened.

Blowing your wad early mister.

Then explain to me what's going to change the tide. I'm listening. 

Entirely unnecessary.

You're asserting that such an outcome is impossible. Some would argue that it is likely, others that it is unlikely. Very few that it is impossible!

Um, Sony did just about everything wrong last gen and still beat 360 WW. I cant name one thing that XB1 can CLEARLY sell as a reason to get one over the PS4, unless Halo it just your thing.

Last gen 360 had Better online (Wash now), Better quality multiplats (PS4), Cheaper price (wash), easier to develop for (PS4), and at the beggining of the gen the biggest FPS game in Halo (which CoD took a few years into the gen).

All PS3 had going for it was a wider selection of exclusives (better is subjective), more reliable hardware (no one is going argue that), free online(but inferior), and Blue Ray (which saved it possibly in the early days)



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

bigjon said:

starcraft said:


Entirely unnecessary.

You're asserting that such an outcome is impossible. Some would argue that it is likely, others that it is unlikely. Very few that it is impossible!

1. Um, Sony did just about everything wrong last gen and still beat 360 WW. I cant name one thing that XB1 can CLEARLY sell as a reason to get one over the PS4, unless Halo it just your thing.

2. Last gen 360 had Better online (Wash now), Better quality multiplats (PS4), Cheaper price (wash), easier to develop for (PS4), and at the beggining of the gen the biggest FPS game in Halo (which CoD took a few years into the gen).

All PS3 had going for it was a wider selection of exclusives (better is subjective), more reliable hardware (no one is going argue that), free online(but inferior), and Blue Ray (which saved it possibly in the early days)

1. But that is only your opinion. You could argue about the controller or the exclusives, for example. The problem that YOU don't see any reason doesn't mean nobody does and obviously there are still a lot of people who still buy an Xbone, although you don't seem to understand them. And they are doing it although there is no Halo released on the system. Irritating?

And "beating"? Yes, they will somewhen have sold more than 360 but I wouldn't call it a "win" when numbers are so close.

2.  Better online wash now? I think the experience is quite different between countries and usergroups and personal preference. Overall, I hear a lot of arguments repeated over and over again, making it sound rational, yet Wii, a system without hd, without great graphics, no real online experience, many Mario games, without Bluray, outsold every other competitor easily.



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vivster said:
We have Halo and a competitive price in a country that was dominated by Xbox last gen because of Halo and competitive price. Guess who's not going to slip up this holiday in US?


Nintendo ?

 

Anyway, yeah, it's pretty much over for ms In US (so, same for the world), but Xboxone can maybe get the 2nd place against the WiiU worlwide.



walsufnir said:
bigjon said:

starcraft said:


Entirely unnecessary.

You're asserting that such an outcome is impossible. Some would argue that it is likely, others that it is unlikely. Very few that it is impossible!

1. Um, Sony did just about everything wrong last gen and still beat 360 WW. I cant name one thing that XB1 can CLEARLY sell as a reason to get one over the PS4, unless Halo it just your thing.

2. Last gen 360 had Better online (Wash now), Better quality multiplats (PS4), Cheaper price (wash), easier to develop for (PS4), and at the beggining of the gen the biggest FPS game in Halo (which CoD took a few years into the gen).

All PS3 had going for it was a wider selection of exclusives (better is subjective), more reliable hardware (no one is going argue that), free online(but inferior), and Blue Ray (which saved it possibly in the early days)

1. But that is only your opinion. You could argue about the controller or the exclusives, for example. The problem that YOU don't see any reason doesn't mean nobody does and obviously there are still a lot of people who still buy an Xbone, although you don't seem to understand them. And they are doing it although there is no Halo released on the system. Irritating?

And "beating"? Yes, they will somewhen have sold more than 360 but I wouldn't call it a "win" when numbers are so close.

2.  Better online wash now? I think the experience is quite different between countries and usergroups and personal preference. Overall, I hear a lot of arguments repeated over and over again, making it sound rational, yet Wii, a system without hd, without great graphics, no real online experience, many Mario games, without Bluray, outsold every other competitor easily.


you really just went there. Please do not compare the Wii to anything happening this Gen. That console caught lightning in a bottle, the current consoles are all selling based on traditional patterns (Power, Price, Games)

Its my opinion yes, but I did not say EVERYTHING on PS4 was better, I said the XB1 does not have ONE thing that it bank on right now as something that is universally (or even close to it) better than PS4. My whole point is that the only things people my like better on XB1 are based on preference (controllers being a great example or even online interface style).

You did the whole "you can't view the world through the lense of your own perspective and then extrapolate it" line on me. But, if it is true that am biased or whatever please name THOSE things that the XB1 can bank on to sell, or do we have to break out the chalkboard. If it had ONE of those things currently it would not be in the situation it is in.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

bigjon said:
walsufnir said:

1. But that is only your opinion. You could argue about the controller or the exclusives, for example. The problem that YOU don't see any reason doesn't mean nobody does and obviously there are still a lot of people who still buy an Xbone, although you don't seem to understand them. And they are doing it although there is no Halo released on the system. Irritating?

And "beating"? Yes, they will somewhen have sold more than 360 but I wouldn't call it a "win" when numbers are so close.

2.  Better online wash now? I think the experience is quite different between countries and usergroups and personal preference. Overall, I hear a lot of arguments repeated over and over again, making it sound rational, yet Wii, a system without hd, without great graphics, no real online experience, many Mario games, without Bluray, outsold every other competitor easily.


you really just went there. Please do not compare the Wii to anything happening this Gen. That console caught lightning in a bottle, the current consoles are all selling based on traditional patterns (Power, Price, Games)

Its my opinion yes, but I did not say EVERYTHING on PS4 was better, I said the XB1 does not have ONE thing that it bank on right now as something that is universally (or even close to it) better than PS4. My whole point is that the only things people my like better on XB1 are based on preference (controllers being a great example or even online interface style).

You did the whole "you can't view the world through the lense of your own perspective and then extrapolate it" line on me. But, if it is true that am biased or whatever please name THOSE things that the XB1 can bank on to sell, or do we have to break out the chalkboard. If it had ONE of those things currently it would not be in the situation it is in.


Currently I don't see a selling point in either next-gen machine but as I said preferences are diverse. Perhaps people just like MS like they like Sony? Perhaps they want to carry over their achievement points? Perhaps they like their exclusives more than Sony's? Perhaps they like GWG more than PS+? I don't know, it's opinions. Purely opinions.

There is no massive crowd that buys only because it did research on what is best to buy. This is the minority, in my opinion.

And just one more thing: The Xbone sells. It struggles badly in Europe, for sure. But saying it doesn't have decent sales in US would also not be true.



greenmedic88 said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Yeah because your average CoD players is worried about pixels on a screen /s

Which is why your average CoD player isn't going to buy a $400 console to play CoD when their existing XB360 or PS3 plays the same game. 

I didn't say they would, I was just replying to your comment about CoD looking better on PS4.



walsufnir said:


Currently I don't see a selling point in either next-gen machine but as I said preferences are diverse. Perhaps people just like MS like they like Sony? Perhaps they want to carry over their achievement points? Perhaps they like their exclusives more than Sony's? Perhaps they like GWG more than PS+? I don't know, it's opinions. Purely opinions.

There is no massive crowd that buys only because it did research on what is best to buy. This is the minority, in my opinion.

And just one more thing: The Xbone sells. It struggles badly in Europe, for sure. But saying it doesn't have decent sales in US would also not be true.


really lacking an argument ehh, resorting to perhaps.

You call decent getting out sold by double half the months this year? and never out selling the PS4 no matter what promotion cut game what not.