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kupomogli said:
Nem said:
Ljink96 said:
I guess we'll see Dragon Quest XI on PS4 at next year's E3. I hear X is making the most money out of the entire series.


Sucess on the Wii and Wii U, lets release a new one on PS4? I think i'm missing a logical step here. Through that line of thought XI should release on 3DS or Wii U.

Dragon Quest has always been on Japan's most popular system though.  Including remakes which were spread between the main releases Dragon Quest 1-6 was on Nintendo and SNES, Dragon Quest 7-8 were on the PS2, Dragon Quest 9 was on the DS, and Dragon Quest 10 on the Wii.  I think they're either going to stay on 3DS where all of the recent remakes are or move to the PS4.


Thats the thing though. People are so used to dismissing the Wii U in the west that they forget the Wii U has sold more than the ps4 in japan. At the current pace things arent set to change. As it stands, following the logic of the highest installed base in japan, its either 3DS or Wii U.



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Nem said:


Thats the thing though. People are so used to dismissing the Wii U in the west that they forget the Wii U has sold more than the ps4 in japan. At the current pace things arent set to change. As it stands, following the logic of the highest installed base in japan, its either 3DS or Wii U.

I will be very surprised if the PS4 does not pass the Wii U by the end of next year at the latest.



JGarret said:
Final Fantasy 7 - 1997
Saga Frontier - 1998
Xenogears - 1998
Brave Fencer Musashi - 1998
Parasite Eve - 1998
Final Fantasy 8 - 1999
Final Fantasy 9 - 2000
Vagrant Story - 2000

Look at that output!

Konami and Capcom were much better too...now, I can understand fewer games as budgets increased, but why is it that the QUALITY also went down in a big way?

They were actually willing to take chances with their game library, too. Parasite Eve was literally a fanfic sequel to a novel, and Xenogears was out there for fantasy RPGs, despite Gundam's popularity. 

This is how much production values have risen over the generations, though. There were literally sprites with jagged pixels up through the PS2 era, but these days a PS4 game which isn't wowingly beautiful won't sell AT ALL. S-E has actually done a very good job of keeping their production values consistent, even if their rate has plummeted--every installment in XIII was a full 40 hour game, which is really impressive these days. Slow development is one of the costs of high production values.

I do wish more developers would drop their production values, though, and toy with some low-budget, low-overhead projects with PS2-era like graphics intended to cost $20-40 (think Journey or even Ghost Trick) and if something takes off, THEN you put the effort into a full gen 8 experience.



IN other news Square is planning to release FF XV on the holidays of 2050.



noname2200 said:
Ljink96 said:
I guess we'll see Dragon Quest XI on PS4 at next year's E3. I hear X is making the most money out of the entire series.

Is the PS4 going to see a massive boom in sales which makes it competitive with the 3DS, or even the Vita?

Likely no. It's just the only other real option unless they want to put it on 3DS, which I think is the most likely option.



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Nem said:


Thats the thing though. People are so used to dismissing the Wii U in the west that they forget the Wii U has sold more than the ps4 in japan. At the current pace things arent set to change. As it stands, following the logic of the highest installed base in japan, its either 3DS or Wii U.

Yeah, the Wii U is outselling the PS4 in Japan and the PS4 won't pass it for awhile only gaining 2-3k sales every week.  The thing is though, something that a lot of people disregard, is the same thing I've been saying daily about the PS4.  The  PS4 pretty much has nothing but ports.  In Japan, the PS4 has less games because the only exclusives on the console are titles aimed towards the west.  Sure they have Yakuza Ishin and Nobunaga's Ambition create, but those games are also on PS3.  Just like in the west with games like Thief, Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed, etc, there's really no reason to drop $400 on a new console when you can get the same games for your current console, or wait until a lot of good exclusives come out before you purchase that $400 console.

Once Japan gets some games that are worth getting the PS4 for that can't be played on a console they don't already own, the Japanese will support the console.  Until then, the support from the userbase in Japan will be limited.  Although if the PS4 keeps selling 2-3k more than the Wii U, it'll pass Japanese sales.  Only 400-500 more weeks to go :P.



noname2200 said:
Nem said:


Thats the thing though. People are so used to dismissing the Wii U in the west that they forget the Wii U has sold more than the ps4 in japan. At the current pace things arent set to change. As it stands, following the logic of the highest installed base in japan, its either 3DS or Wii U.

I will be very surprised if the PS4 does not pass the Wii U by the end of next year at the latest.


At the current pace, its pretty much impossible. The PS4 needs to rise in sales above the current 10k and Wii U needs to not be boosted from MK8.

I am pretty sure the PS4 wont outsell the Wii U in Japan until the end of the year.

kupomogli said:
 

Yeah, the Wii U is outselling the PS4 in Japan and the PS4 won't pass it for awhile only gaining 2-3k sales every week.  The thing is though, something that a lot of people disregard, is the same thing I've been saying daily about the PS4.  The  PS4 pretty much has nothing but ports.  In Japan, the PS4 has less games because the only exclusives on the console are titles aimed towards the west.  Sure they have Yakuza Ishin and Nobunaga's Ambition create, but those games are also on PS3.  Just like in the west with games like Thief, Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed, etc, there's really no reason to drop $400 on a new console when you can get the same games for your current console, or wait until a lot of good exclusives come out before you purchase that $400 console.

Once Japan gets some games that are worth getting the PS4 for that can't be played on a console they don't already own, the Japanese will support the console.  Until then, the support from the userbase in Japan will be limited.  Although if the PS4 keeps selling 2-3k more than the Wii U, it'll pass Japanese sales.  Only 400-500 more weeks to go :P.

It might be so, but the Wii U might rebound aswell. We really dont know at this point wich one is gonna come up on top, though i'm sure the dominance that the PS4 has in the west will open the floodgate of games and will eventually affect Japan aswell. Japanese developers themselves will feel safer supporting it knowing that the west might support the games aswell.

Though sometimes its difficult to predict. We all still remember how Tales of Symphonia was a sales sucess on the GC. I think that a new DQ main entry is more suited to the Wii U audience than the PS4. The last 2 games were in Nintendo consoles and DQX itself has already brought some of the audience to the Wii U. Though lets be honest, the most probable platform is the 3DS.



Nem said:
noname2200 said:

I will be very surprised if the PS4 does not pass the Wii U by the end of next year at the latest.


At the current pace, its pretty much impossible. The PS4 needs to rise in sales above the current 10k and Wii U needs to not be boosted from MK8.

I disagree. They're only about a million units or so apart, in spite of the two-holidays lead the Wii U has enjoyed, and the fact that the PS4's software library to date isn't very Japan-centric. Plenty of time and opportunity for the PS4 there.



noname2200 said:
Nem said:
noname2200 said:

I will be very surprised if the PS4 does not pass the Wii U by the end of next year at the latest.


At the current pace, its pretty much impossible. The PS4 needs to rise in sales above the current 10k and Wii U needs to not be boosted from MK8.

I disagree. They're only about a million units or so apart, in spite of the two-holidays lead the Wii U has enjoyed, and the fact that the PS4's software library to date isn't very Japan-centric. Plenty of time and opportunity for the PS4 there.


I dont see it happening this year at all. Realise that the PS4 is only selling an extra 2-3k more a week. In the future, who knows? But this year there are no releases that are set to change the situation.

But, everyone is entitled to their opinion. :)



Nem said:


I dont see it happening this year at all.

On that we actually agree. I'm thinking more ahead to late 2015, when any hypothetical Dragon Quest XI may come out. Which will almost certainly not be on PS4, but that was the original premise of the question.