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superryo said:
 1080p/60fps then effectively it is all that matters.

1080p/60fps will NEVER be standard, not even on PS4. or PS5 for that matter.

Most devs will always choose more detail at 30fps.



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curl-6 said:
superryo said:
 1080p/60fps then effectively it is all that matters.

1080p/60fps will NEVER be standard, not even on PS4. or PS5 for that matter.

Most devs will always choose more detail at 30fps.

It will be the standard on consoles, someday, just not for a long while.

On PC, there is no standard, there is simply a question mark of how much you want to pay for graphical fidelity.

 

Those willing to pay can have all the pretty 60fps or higher fun they want, consoles being fixed platform means fitting as wide a budget bracket as possible, so the hardware can't be too exotic.

Next gen however there will be enough power in consoles for 1080p 60fps to be the norm, with more intensive games or badly optimized ones jumping around the 40-60 range.



lucidium said:

It will be the standard on consoles, someday, just not for a long while.

On PC, there is no standard, there is simply a question mark of how much you want to pay for graphical fidelity.

 

Those willing to pay can have all the pretty 60fps or higher fun they want, consoles being fixed platform means fitting as wide a budget bracket as possible, so the hardware can't be too exotic.

Next gen however there will be enough power in consoles for 1080p 60fps to be the norm, with more intensive games or badly optimized ones jumping around the 40-60 range.

No, next gen PS5/XB0 will be 1440p upscaled to 4K most games running at 30 fps.
The Wii W might be doing 1080p60 next gen.



SvennoJ said:
lucidium said:
 

It will be the standard on consoles, someday, just not for a long while.

On PC, there is no standard, there is simply a question mark of how much you want to pay for graphical fidelity.

 

Those willing to pay can have all the pretty 60fps or higher fun they want, consoles being fixed platform means fitting as wide a budget bracket as possible, so the hardware can't be too exotic.

Next gen however there will be enough power in consoles for 1080p 60fps to be the norm, with more intensive games or badly optimized ones jumping around the 40-60 range.

No, next gen PS5/XB0 will be 1440p upscaled to 4K most games running at 30 fps.
The Wii W might be doing 1080p60 next gen.

1440p is not a TV standard, its a monitor resolution. As such they wouldn't target it because it would be wasted on a large portion of users, and we were a decade or more away from consoles even considering a normal title at 4K.



lucidium said:
curl-6 said:
superryo said:
 1080p/60fps then effectively it is all that matters.

1080p/60fps will NEVER be standard, not even on PS4. or PS5 for that matter.

Most devs will always choose more detail at 30fps.

It will be the standard on consoles, someday, just not for a long while.

On PC, there is no standard, there is simply a question mark of how much you want to pay for graphical fidelity.

 

Those willing to pay can have all the pretty 60fps or higher fun they want, consoles being fixed platform means fitting as wide a budget bracket as possible, so the hardware can't be too exotic.

Next gen however there will be enough power in consoles for 1080p 60fps to be the norm, with more intensive games or badly optimized ones jumping around the 40-60 range.

I've heard the argument that 60fps will become standard on consoles before; in 1998 when the 6th gen was looming, then again in 2005 when the 7th was announced, then in 2012. Every time, devs continued to favour 30fps with more detail.



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curl-6 said:
lucidium said:
curl-6 said:
superryo said:
 

I've heard the argument that 60fps will become standard on consoles before; in 1998 when the 6th gen was looming, then again in 2005 when the 7th was announced, then in 2012. Every time, devs continued to favour 30fps with more detail.


The differences is I am projecting this progress a generation ahead of those guesses.

It would be like me saying last gen, "720p 60fps will be the norm" , for the most part that's true, if they weren't so focused on squeezing as close to 1080p as possible and simply released these games at 720p most if not all would end up 60fps or as close to 60fps as they can get.

Next gen will be like that, but since 1080p will still be the norm the extra processing power will only be stretched so far by the minor resolution bump from 720-900p to 1080 leaving the rest for frame rates.



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lucidium said:
curl-6 said:

I've heard the argument that 60fps will become standard on consoles before; in 1998 when the 6th gen was looming, then again in 2005 when the 7th was announced, then in 2012. Every time, devs continued to favour 30fps with more detail.


The differences is I am projecting this progress a generation ahead of those guesses.

It would be like me saying last gen, "720p 60fps will be the norm" , for the most part that's true, if they weren't so focused on squeezing as close to 1080p as possible and simply released these games at 720p most if not all would end up 60fps or as close to 60fps as they can get.

Next gen will be like that, but since 1080p will still be the norm the extra processing power will only be stretched so far by the minor resolution bump from 720-900p to 1080 leaving the rest for frame rates.

No it isn't, in any way.

The majority of both 7th and 8th gen games are still 30fps.



curl-6 said:
lucidium said:
curl-6 said:

I've heard the argument that 60fps will become standard on consoles before; in 1998 when the 6th gen was looming, then again in 2005 when the 7th was announced, then in 2012. Every time, devs continued to favour 30fps with more detail.


The differences is I am projecting this progress a generation ahead of those guesses.

It would be like me saying last gen, "720p 60fps will be the norm" , for the most part that's true, if they weren't so focused on squeezing as close to 1080p as possible and simply released these games at 720p most if not all would end up 60fps or as close to 60fps as they can get.

Next gen will be like that, but since 1080p will still be the norm the extra processing power will only be stretched so far by the minor resolution bump from 720-900p to 1080 leaving the rest for frame rates.

No it isn't, in any way.

The majority of both 7th and 8th gen games are still 30fps.

On the wiiu too? Okay.



lucidium said:
curl-6 said:
lucidium said:

The differences is I am projecting this progress a generation ahead of those guesses.

It would be like me saying last gen, "720p 60fps will be the norm" , for the most part that's true, if they weren't so focused on squeezing as close to 1080p as possible and simply released these games at 720p most if not all would end up 60fps or as close to 60fps as they can get.

Next gen will be like that, but since 1080p will still be the norm the extra processing power will only be stretched so far by the minor resolution bump from 720-900p to 1080 leaving the rest for frame rates.

No it isn't, in any way.

The majority of both 7th and 8th gen games are still 30fps.

On the wiiu too? Okay.

For Nintendo first party games yes, but not for third parties. Assassin's Creed 3 & 4, Splinter Cell, Batman Arkham City & Origins, Monster Hunter, ZombiU, Lego City, Need for Speed, etc were still 30fps on Wii U.