What about making that permanent would change the fact that for the last 3 weeks or so it HAS been permanent and nothing has changed.  It hasn't gone away yet so that seems pretty permanent to me.  I wont be wrong until the price goes back up to $499 w/o a game.

"hypotheticals don't matter." lol ..it matters when people are making "doom" threads like this without looking at the big picture.

I never said anything about price and neither did you. I just asked if you really felt that it would make that much of a difference in the sales comparison between it and the PS4 if it was out in the same number of countries.. I definitely never said the sales would not increase. I just don't think it will be the jump that some people are expecting it to be. Then the XB1 is NOT 399 so that is irrelevant even though of course it would have a sales impact if it was.I don't think anyone has ever said that a price drop plus more countires would not have a sales impact...you just made that part up lol.

You kind of disregarding my question and went another direction talking about delusional people lol. I was just curious geez lol

I think the issue is ppl are thinking in relative terms. Xbone sales relative to PS4 are bad, Xbone sales in absolute terms are actually pretty good.

Hypotheticals never matter.  For people predicting doom or defending it.  FACT is Xbox is not saling as predicted.  For a company not to meet forcasts is BAD (at least to that company and people with a company mindset).  NOthing else really matters. I don't, you don't.  How Microsoft feels is the only fact.  We all have OPINIONS.  But if we take ourself out and look at this through microsoft lens (I forcasted x systems sold at $499, that didnt happen so I cut price temporarily and forcasted x sold with a game bundled, that didnt happen, so I'm looking into further measures) the Xbox one is doing Bad.

It's important to remember that the Xbox One had a much better first two months. Since 2014 started the Xbox One is behind the 360 by 120K units through the end of march. That gap will also likely grow next month as sales of the Xbox One drop back to where they were before TF.

Also I like how you ignored the fact consoles shipped to 30 new countries (that Sony dominates) would take consoles off shelves in countries Xbox usually dominates due to production numbers not increasing just because you ship in more countries.

What bugs me are Wii U apologists who are trying to pretend the Xbox One is doing as badly as the Wii U. I have both, but I can tell the difference between 14,000 and 66,000.

The Xbox One isn't doing as bad as the WiiU. But where did you get 66k vs. 14k?

Forgive me for not reducing the quote tree. My work computer only can use Internet Explorer and the HTML goes crazy if I tinker with it.

Anyway, I realize that 500 units would add up. Just 1 units in each country would "add up" but I'm saying that it's not gonna sell that much. "Rest of the World" only made up like 15% of 360s sales (I believe that was the number in a thread I saw last week, calculating the possible impact of XBone releasing in the remaining markets). Couple that with the fact that the XBone is selling worse than the 360 (yes it is. People need to realize that "its sold more than 360 in the same timeframe" is misleading as 75% of those sales came in the first month and a half, riding off 360s success, whereas 360 had the hype of PS2s successor to deal with. People held off buying a 360 because of that. I don't remember 360 selling 85k a week, 5 months after release) and even at 15%, is that an "impact"? Chances are, "rest of the world" will be even less than 15% for XBone. There's reason to believe that XBone will only sell 10-15k-ish more a month once it releases in "Tier 2/3" countries.